Cubase SX on a G3 with OS X

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by Tnglwd_stu, Feb 17, 2003.

  1. Tnglwd_stu

    Tnglwd_stu Guest

    Can it be done? Or does SX need a G4 processor?

    Obviously it'll be better with a G4, but that's not the question. ;)
  2. RL Wall

    RL Wall Guest

    Cubase SX needs OSX 10.2.3 or better.

    It runs on a G4, G3, Powerbook, iBook, iMac, eMac, Cube.

    I have even heard apocryphal tales of running OSX on the last of the PowerComputing clones and Umax S900 Supermacs. Lots of geeky gear-head gizmology on these, I would imagine.

    If you are heavy into OMS, i.e, patch names, etc, you are SOL. OMS dies in 9.x. OSX 10.2.x uses Apple's CoreMidi to manage this stuff, but the changeover can be problematic, especially if you are trying to drag a bunch of 90s peripherals kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

    Patience and Google are the watchwords. For instance:

    I persevered and am now the expert-in-residence in my circle of influence with respect to getting an Opcode Studio 5 LX 15x15 midi interface to run on a Stealth Serial port (replaces the G4 Mac's internal modem) and have it play nice with OSX and Cubase SX. The "trick" is using OMS on a 9.x machine to essentially erase the Studio 5's dependence on OMS, and then port it quickly to the OSX machine, before OMS reasserts control over it. It then believes itself to be a MOTU Midi Timepiece and is happy as a clam to accept communication with the new serial port and consequently, Cubase SX.

    If I can work the kinks out, so can you.

    And unless you are a part time computer Gamefreak or render animations for Disney, or write, produce and perform massively complicated music projects with tons ofplug-ins your G3 will probably get you wherever you have the gas to take it.

    :cool: RW :roll:
  3. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Sep 10, 2000
    Robert, I'm curious about the Stealth Serial port. I just went to the website and read a bit about it. The G4 installation link was dead, so I couldn't see how it's installed. Does the internal modem have to be entirely removed to install it?
  4. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    I've had a Stealth in my Sawtooth G4 since the day I bought it. It replaces the internal modem. Installation is easy (hey, _I_ could do it!) and its always worked as advertised.
  5. RL Wall

    RL Wall Guest

    Nate is right.

    Depending on your G4, it goes in one of two ways:

    1. G3/G4 before Mirror Door: You pop out the modem board (2 screws) and remove the screws holding the phone jack plate to the back of the chassis. The Stealth plugs in where the modem was and comes with the good ole Mac serial port socket installed in a replacement plate that you screw to the back of the chassis. Takes 5 minutes, tops.

    2. Mirror Door: Since Apple rearranged the furniture but not the location of the phone jack, you would have had to completely disassemble the CPU and logic board to reach the phone jack plate. So -- Geethree punted and installed the serial socket in a PCI slot cover. Yup, it eats up a slot zone. When I whined to Geethree, they said just dangle it out of the chassis and use the slot. (They don't actually use the PCI slot, just the plate where it attaches.) In a pinch, I guess you could take their advice and just drape the flat cable between 2 PCI cards and hang it out in the wind between the attachment plates. Not exactly elegant. The truly intrepid could always completely disembowel their G4 to try and install it in the phone jack location.

    Either way, Geethree sells both sets of socket installation hardware with each G4 Stealth. You have to download the OS 10.2.x MIDI driver.

    There is another company who makes these ports, called Griffin Technology. These guys make one for every Mac model made since Apple stopped puttiing serial ports on them, even the Cube and laptops.


    Griffin and Geethree don't say so out loud but I believe their G4 drivers are one and the same, as the read-mes on the downloads for both companies' drivers and their install and set up-programs are exactly word-for-word identical.

    Looks like you'll be needing that old Sportster 56K modem again after all -- or treat yourself to dsl. You'll never look back if you do.

    :cool: RW :roll:
  6. Rexgtr

    Rexgtr Guest

    Robert Wall,
    It's good to read that my G3 450 can use Cubase SX. I was under the impression I needed a G4.
    I have so many plug ins and still use VST 24 4.1 OS9.1 - It works good for me.

    The problem I have with Steinberg is that they release new software with few updates then move to the next latest greatest...

    Q- What would I be able to achieve with SX that VST 24 4.1 couldn't do? :w:
  7. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2003
    Kirkland WA
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    I currently sitting out the first few updates to SX, waiting to see if they deliver a product with the same features of the PC version.

    All of my current projects are in Cubase5, but I've been learning Logic5.5 in OSX.

    Currently my confindence with Steinberg is low.
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