do you follow manufacturer's recommendations...

Discussion in 'Monitoring' started by DonnyThompson, Jun 9, 2014.

  1. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Well-Known Member

    Nov 25, 2012
    Akron/Cleveland, OH
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    On near-field placement?

    I have a pair of Alesis Monitor Ones (passive) and even though the brand name appears upright while on their sides, Alesis actually recommends that for optimum results, the speaker cabinets should be placed upright - with the tweet on top, centered directly over the woof.

    Even though they look symmetrical on their sides and appear as though that's the way thy should sit, (and I've used them this way for years with the tweeters on the outside, just like you would set up a pair of NS10's) I've tried this recently - for several weeks now - and while I haven't noticed any glaring improvement, they seem to be very accurate in this placement - (although I'm sure that all the recent acoustic treatment I've done in my mixing space has made a huge difference as well).

    What say you? Do you think it makes a difference? Pending of course that:

    A. You have decent monitors to begin with, along with a good sounding/treated room

    B. your monitors would be symmetrical in either position

    C. that you've positioned them to aim within the "generally" accepted 45 - 60 degree "sweet-spot" triangle

    How about it... have a preference? A reason for your preference?
  2. Josh Conley

    Josh Conley Active Member

    Mar 27, 2014
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    what is the thinking behind laying a speaker on its side?

    i have these 8" mackies and have always sat them with the tweeter on top.
    getting at the input jack, while infrequent, has always been a sweaty and torridly dreaded affair... way at the bottom, on the back, and of couse pointing down. and these damn things gotta weigh 40 lbs each ffs!
  3. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    Lowestoft - UK
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    Symmetrical, but placement really based on the best angle from the HF to my ears. I suspect that we use them much closer than the manufacturers think, so my ears are the judge. There again, I've never been good at following instructions. My view is that if you NEED to read them, the product wasn't good enough!
  4. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Yeah and what about having your speakers elevated above your ear level, angled slightly down toward ya? Vertically or horizontally? You're leaving out important variations. In my control room, I have 2 pairs of JBL 4311's, horizontal on their sides. One pair at ear level, on top of the console. And another pair directly above, angled slightly down. I generally prefer the ones up the top angled down. I find the perceptual change, Profound. And I'm not the only one. QUESTED also recommends doing that. Though they want their speakers vertical.

    I think I actually also prefer the girth of monitors on their side as opposed to vertically. Vertical sounds good but feels skinny. It leaves a hole in the middle. I like something that feels like it's got a little meat on its voice coil. But not booming. Something deep with resonance that doesn't hang while it punches you silly. Tight. Who needs a drum machine or a sample for that?

    But I can certainly safely say that with average sized compact 2 way monitors... I've tried them in every conceivable position. Even turned around backwards to bounce off the wall. I think I can also safely say... It depends on the room and on the person using them?

    Of course the issue of time alignment always comes up with this conversation. I think you can get closer to your time alignment optimum, when the monitors are on their side, horizontally. With woofers out and tweeters in. Then you can get the alignment of the Tweeter voice coil closer to that of the woofers. By adjusting the angle of your monitors. Not as easy if you're going vertical. Especially with Tweeter on top. And there is something to that folks. It all comes under how you tweak a control room. Along with everything else interacting with everything else that it can interact with. When it's something else.

    I'm not feeling myself... for a change. Take that for what it's worth.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

    Mar 20, 2000
    BC, Canada
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    Good post Remy,
    Last night you sounded more off than usual. I hope you are well, or just having too much fun?

    My speakers are all Vertical. I've never thought to flip them on their side, maybe I should?

    When I was tuning my room, lifting them 5 inches make big differences to the analyzer so I have an X where I sit when its time to get serious..
  6. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Boston, Massachusetts
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    josh, im not sure which model you have, but i have the HR8;s mk2's, the manual for mine say you can place them in either orientation, they even made the logo able to be turned so it looks upright on their side. they didnt really say either way was particularly better, if i remember correctly.

    interesting about the phase timing alignment, gonna have to mess around w placement when i set stuff back up.

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