Does MaxxBass Have any business in the mastering chain?

Discussion in 'Bass' started by headchem, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. headchem

    headchem Guest

    Does MaxxBass Have any business in the mastering chain? If applied to all the low-end in a song, wouldn't it have a similar result as just boosting low EQ? Would this not just leave the low end as muddy as if you boosted all the low EQ. Should MaxxBass just be used in the mix?

    (I searched for MaxxBass in these forums, but all I got was a blank screen... Anyone else having trouble with the search?)
  2. maistrow

    maistrow Active Member

    Nov 3, 2005
    The Big OC
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    Maxx Bass

    I looked at it at N.Y. AES.It just seems like some sort of device for a live sound set up.
  3. saemskin

    saemskin Active Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    I'm not familiar with the maxxbass plugin, but I know Waves makes a hardware bass-booster so there has to be a market for this.
    We all know that you can't effectively boost frequencies that arent there without mucking things up, so these algorhythms must somehow generate lower frequencies giving the "boost" people are seeking, much the same as the Oxford Inflator boosts overall loudness without affecting transients.
    Personally I dont see why anyone would ever want to use them in a mix. But thats just because I seem to be fighting a constant battle of too much damn bass. Maybe if they had a 'q' control to tighten things up where you need to... maybe.
  4. headchem

    headchem Guest

    I guess I'm thinking of just the MaxxBass plug-in for computers. I didn't know they made hardware. Can anyone explain the utility of this plug-in over just an EQ bass boost?
  5. Maxx Bass is, as I understand it, basically an exciter - it generates frequencies that aren't already there. It is also a compressor at the same time, so it does more than your typical.

    If you want more bass, a low end compression with a C1 set to a modification of the Bass compression preset (low pass compression for 100-200 Hz) - I find the presets a bit too compression-oriented is usually a good place to start. Throw a Maxx Bass on there as well - try the Light, Medium and Agressive settings to get an idea what it's doing.
  6. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2005
    AFAIK Maxx Bass is designed to create the illusion of low bass when its not really there, ie: for playback on small computer speakers.. I might be wrong though, I can't afford the Waves plugs :wink:
  7. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2002
    NYC New York
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    maxx bass does a few things. 1- it generates subharmonic freq's derived from the knee you set. 2- it generates higher harmonics of the low frequencies which is designed to give the illusion that there is more low end than there is. 3- it has a compressor to keep all these new low end freq's under control. so it's not at all like boosting the low end of an eq. it's generating harmonics both higher and lower than what is there. of coarse you can control the mix of the new and original. subharmonic synths have been around for a long time. DBX is the first one to make one for studios I believe. I forget the model number but it had one knob. Then they came out with the dbx120, then the dbx120x. what waves did with maxbass was combine a subharmonic sythn and a higher harmonic generator.

    And yes you can use it in mastering if you want. I've used it once or twice but it's better to use it during a mix or recording. A lot of these ipod little boom box things use the maxbass technology to give a little more low end presence to a 1 inch speaker. it can also be used in live sound to get those subs moving and film mixers also use them for those big explosions that rattle the room.
  8. headchem

    headchem Guest

    Thanks for the replies. I know about high frequency harmonic enhancers that add new harmonics in the upper frequencies, but why isn't there a mid-range enhancer? Or is that what the mysterious Vitalizer device does? Here's a quote from Sound on Sound about it:

    This quote is from the very interesting article: Psychotherapy. So, this mastering tool deals with low mids and high mids, apparently. Anyone have any clue what's going on here? Any chance this same process might be constructed within Reason 3.0 or Csound? Any chance MaxxBass could be simulated through Reason or Csound? Three cheers for not being able to afford what the pros use...
  9. doogle

    doogle Guest

    hi bud.

    Dont know if this helps but i remember Bob Katz commenting about the use of maxx bass in a mastering chain.

    he said

  10. mark_van_j

    mark_van_j Active Member

    Oct 28, 2005
    Maribor, Slovenia
    So far I've used it only for "restoring" some old tracks that were poor quality, poorly copied or just poorly mixed. It's easy to get carried away though. Even a small amount makes a huge difference.
  11. alimoniack

    alimoniack Guest

    max bass - yuck

    In a word, no, as far as I'm concerned. I confess I did use it once to add a tiny bit of new ("fake") bottom end to a friend's very badly recorded demo, but if you're mastering a mix you've done yourself it's obviously better to go back to the multitrack and fix it there rather than adding bass to everything at once (=soup).

    I suppose if you recorded a live show on multitrack and the bass guitar track ended up without any low end at all for some reason, you might salvage the individual track with something like this - far from ideal though.

    It is a shameless hussy of a plug-in. I guess I just hate the sound of it...

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