DVD-A, authoring??

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by golli, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. golli

    golli Active Member

    I've been looking into how to make DVD-Audio but the only thing I've seen, so far is a program from Sonic Solutions at $6000 :shock:
    Has anyone here seen a program do do this, on a down to earth price??
  2. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

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    There are a couple of programs that will do this. Sonic is one, Minnetonka is another. both are pricey. I believe sadie uses Minnetonka software. Not many options out there from what i've found.
  3. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

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    DVD-A seems to be a dying format.

    Interesting article at http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/dvdavssacd/

    It is somewhat like the BETA vs VHS wars. Both sides have their strengths both sides have their supporters.

    I belive SACD will be the eventual winner.

    There is a new version of Wavelab coming out in the spring and some people have intimated that it may contain the basics of DVD-A authoring. I guess we will have to wait until it is announced

    Minnetonka seems to an alternative see http://www.discwelder.com/ for many people.

    I would suggest waiting for a couple of weeks to see what happens.
  4. golli

    golli Active Member

    I was under the impression that all DVD players could play DVD-A??
    And with the addition of a deticated 5.1/7.1 soundcard you'd get the surround benefits that come with it. The article about SACD vs DVD-A leaves me the impression that that is'nt the case, I'm confused.
    If I buy a DVD player I can Play DVD-A. True or false.
  5. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

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    Sorry it is a false...

    Most DVD-audio discs are compatible with DVD-Video players. To provide compatibility, most DVD-Audio discs are including Dolby Digital (some also include DTS) audio tracks that satisfy the DVD-Video specification. These tracks are playable on DVD-Video players. A DVD album which includes these features will carry the DVD-Audio and DVD-Video logo.

    However, a DVD-Video player will not recognize and play the ultra-high fidelity PCM and MLP encoded audio tracks on a DVD-Audio disk. To play these tracks, a DVD player is required that meets the DVD-Audio specification. These players can be identified by the DVD-Audio logo.

    CD Player
    Unfortunately, a DVD-Audio disc is NOT playable on a CD player.

    At present PC's do not support the DVD-Audio standard. Therefore, a PC player will not recognize and play the ultra-high fidelity PCM and MLP encoded audio tracks on a DVD-Audio disk. However, most PC's can recognize and play DVD-Video compatible material on a DVD-Audio disc.

    For more information: http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.12

    Hope this helps.
  6. golli

    golli Active Member

    That seems to be the only thing I got right. :oops:

    Up until this moment I could'nt understand why people (Sony/Philips) were trying to market the SACD standard, because the market is flooding with cheap DVD players, and therefore the DVD-A had the upperhand.
    But DVD-A does'nt have any advantage, and I know for a fact that most people (the average consumer) thinks that any DVD player can handle, and is built to play DVD-A (in 24/48-96 that is). I have been going over the specsheets of many, 5.1/7.1, sound/audio cards and they give you the impression that they're chips can handle all the decoding, required to give you 24/96, but all they are doing is piping audio to more speakers.

    Thanks for the info Thomas, I certanly wont be purchasing a deticated, DVD crap in the near future.
  7. golli

    golli Active Member

    And now I just opened the http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.12 :shock:

    I copy'd it into a printable Word document; 170 friggin pages, I dont know a single person who would bother with getting to know the ins and outs, of what it takes to have a complete knowledge over some, specific "standard" like DVD (I'm going to read the DVD-A part of it though). All I can say is; thank God for recording/mastering engineers.
    I'm even embarassed and pissed of, for bringing up the subject.

    All I wanted to do was archive some older, favorite records and write them in a better format.
    I'm going to keep on making the best CD's 16/44.1, I can, and leave the higher fidelity up to the professionals, that actually get payed for reading theese kind of documents (besides other things).
    I am, after all a bedroom wanker :wink:
  8. TeeME

    TeeME Guest

    Old info..

    My PC has supported DVD-A for almost 2 years because I kept up with the curve and reaped the benifits.

    Consumers and pro audio are not to be intermingled or ever will be if the writers of standards have any say-so. Attempts of it is met by futile consequences...unfortunantly.
  9. golli

    golli Active Member

    So what did you do??
  10. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

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    it's not old info, this has been updated to within the last couple of months. It does contain a lot of history in the link but also contains very up to date info as well.
    I don't know of any computer drives that are DVD-A compatible, what kind of drive do you have?
  11. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

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    I too would like to know what you are using?

    The latest version of Wavelab is suppose to have DVD-A authoring built in but we will have to wait until April or May to see what it has to offer.

    When you reply if you could tell us the application your hardware including the DVD player and your operating system it would be most convenient.

    Thanks in advance.
  12. Henrik

    Henrik Guest

    Without taking sides in the DVD-A vs SACD war, in my opinion it would look like DVD-A has a clear advantage: The discs will both be able to hold video and audio material, which I understand SACD discs do not. In order to sell a new format to other people than audiophiles, I believe there must be more added value than just better sound. Including videos, documentaries, interviews and behind the scenes stuff with a record release is such added value. I think people's music and video systems will merge into one before long, so you listen to music and watch films and TV as well as play computer games on the same system. This I also think will be ground for an increasing demand for 5.1-mixes of music.

    Also, there's no doubt that most people will have a DVD player in the near future, and even though not ALL DVD players will play DVD-A's it's my understanding that it's an increasing number. So I don't think the argument that SACD's can be played in some conventional CD-players is very convincing.

  13. jazzius

    jazzius Guest

    IMHO, SACD is going absolutely nowhere. All the people i've met in this country who are involved with SACD/DSD are up-their-own-arses audiophiles who are completely disconnected to the real world. I hope to be proved wrong ('cause it sound great) but i doubt it.

    An example:.....i talked recently to a top SACD geezer from Sony, and he said that all SACD releases should included a surround mix.

    Why?, i asked.......What if the producer/artist doesn't want to produce/mix in surround?

    "Well, they should" was the reply.

    With these sort of people in the driving seat, i don't see how it can succeed. But like i said, i hope to be wrong.


  14. aaronwiles1

    aaronwiles1 Guest

    Just browsed around...$495

  15. TeeME

    TeeME Guest


    A DVD R/ DVD RW can support DVD-A with the proper software and drivers. That is read and burn. Any Jan 2002 or later DVD ROM with the proper supporting software (even audigy 2) can read the high rez tracks of DVD-A

    Since DVD-R's are down to around a buck each and lower, DVD-A makes much more sense that SACD. I personally have problems with the vast majority of the mastering done with SACD.

    Well it has been 27 months since I began burning my own DVD-A's
  16. TeeME

    TeeME Guest


  17. TeeME

    TeeME Guest

    this should settle the DVD-A/SACD argument once and for all

  18. golli

    golli Active Member

    Thanks for the links :D

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