England move update

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  1. Makzimia

    Makzimia The Minstrel Well-Known Member

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    Hi gang,

    Well, it’s been a month since I moved south to Manchester. I’ve been quite busy dealing with a house that has needs. I’ve been out gigging usually 2 or 3 times a week since I got here.

    Mostly open mics, singer songwriter group I regularly go to in Stretford is really good. They’re also acoustic, which is wonderful. I hate cheap PA systems and cheap mics in bad placements.

    On the studio side, I’ve decided to make my own sound reinforcement this time. Wooden frames with hessian and rock wool . All the tools and bits and pieces to do it are now here. I just need to get cracking on making the frames and attaching where required.

    I’ve already place 4 LENRDs from Auralex in front corners at best placement for room size and height, and use of space. Will it be full correct, no, will I be able to use it well, I think so. Last recording you’ve all heard in Scotland house had zero treatment. This is more about taming the room a little. Izotope will help me take care of the deficiencies still :-/.

    Here’s a quick current view.. above.

    Tony
     
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    I've done a few 3x4 pannels with maple frames for my studio. I like them very much and they look good too with the varnish wood..
    In my small recording room I had uneven bass response so I added triangle shape bass traps in 2 corners (made of rockwool) and to make it look good I placed vertical pine strips (from ceiling to floor) it made a big difference in sound and in look.
    I have some Auralex bass traps but I feel they don't affect frequencies as low as my triangle rockwool bass traps..

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  3. Makzimia

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    @pcrecord Marco, looks good. I’m freaked out enough about building simple 2x4 frames. Rock wool sure is useful. Just finished airing mine out. Going to spray it all with a mix of pva glue and water to stop little pieces falling off.
     
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    Mmm.. I do encapsulate them in fabric. Never thought of fixating them with glue..
     
  5. Makzimia

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    More updates :). It’s coming along!. Cousin came by to help me.


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    More work done. All frames ready, cloud one almost complete.
     
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    Nice work !
    Are you making pannels with different thickness ?? Those in the pictures seems to have 2 inches deep ? is it ? ..
    I use to make mine 3 inches deep to match the rockwool thickness. Gets lower frequencies when ticker, no ?
     
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    I am using 70mm deep wood. I am then packing 4 of the panels, front wall behind speakers and side walls, with one each 50mm rockwool. Cloud and back wall are getting 2 x 50mm. Hardest part was initially trying to use a pocket hole tool to make corners stronger, I failed to really grasp how it works, holes ended up being up too high on wood. Result was we went with good old fashioned glue and screw each end. Averted what was becoming a disaster earlier today :-/. End result is 5 frames waiting with attachment brackets on, Cloud almost done, just need to tack and trim hessian still. Final step will be mounting to the ceiling. I am not looking forward to that, even with all the right stuff....

    Tony
     
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    Nice..
    For mine I took maple wood, which was way more expensive than pine (widely sold here in Canada).
    I did 3 coat of vernish and placed put my black fabric inside the frame instead of outside.. It makes them look very good since my studio also serve as home theater..
    It's always rewarding when we settle to do stuff with our own hand.. ;)
     
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    Hi gang,

    4 down, 2 to go. Then we hang them. In the end I decided on 4 doubles and two singles. Question is, should I put doubles on side walls or behind monitors?. I’m leaning towards side walls. Thoughts?.

    Just a reminder, double for cloud. Double for back wall. 2 behind monitors 1 each side wall near sides of desk.

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
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    Id try both, my inclination leans toward the thicker panels behind the speakers since low frequencies project more than others from the back of the speakers, and you dont want nasty low/low mids coming off the wall from behind the speakers and interfering at tbe listening posistion. This will cause modal buildup/nulls and phase cancellations. There are generally no useful reflections emerging from behind the speakers.

    Its not uncommon to have 2-3ft worth of absorbsion and air space behind tbe speakers.

    You can make your panels and corner traps more efficient by spacing them off the wall. 2- 4" yeilds a significant improvement.
     
  11. Makzimia

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    @kmetal Thanks Kyle, I thought that perhaps that was the case, rear of monitors. I just haven't really noticed that with the Mackie HR824, but you're right, I can try both. Not sure how I can create any space physically behind the panels, but, I have placed the brackets in a way that doesn't put them flush when mounted. Per a video I watched using panels like these, I am leaving a gap of 22 inches behind my desk to the front wall. Thankfully for the first time, there is no doorway right near the front. It's not going to be ideal, and the room needs more I am sure, but, I'll make the best of what I can :).

    Tony
     
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    Lots of cursing and swearing... backwall double thickness mounted. Combined materials in walls... breeze block we think, cheap thin layer of plasterboard, maybe. Disastrous!!. Only 3 screws holding it on. I went with screws straight in. After failed other methods.

    Thing is... there is no way of knowing what’s in the bloody wall.. knocking on the wall doesn’t help.. I am definitely not looking forward to ceiling cloud either :(.

    Tony
     
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    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Not sure about the mk1 but my mk2 hr824s have a passive bass radiation unit in the back of them. Either way regardless of speaker type the lows coming off tge front wall are a nuissance.

    Are the speakers on stands or your desk?

    Speaker location is gonna be a big determining factor. Alot of people have good luck with the speakers as close to tbe wall as possible.

    What mounting method are you using? Rods book has door stops as spacers for the panels. I generally just use eye bolts in the ceiling and use wire or chain or hooks rated for the proper weight for clouds.
     
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    @kmetal I have the isolation style stands for my speakers. Can’t remember the name, you can see them in a previous photo. I’m restricted on space and I’ve built space into the frame right angle brackets. My concern about the ceiling is placement. Room has built in ceiling lights and chance that beams are going to come into play..

    It’s been a stressful week.. I’m hoping my cousin who’s done some work with walls and stuff can bring new perspective.

    I’ll get there :).
     
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    Have you thought of playing your favorite music in the room before putting pannels on the walls ?
    It could help you have a better idea of what needs to be fixed..
     
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    @pcrecord Marco, I have no room to swing a cat in the room until it’s all done. It’ll be fine :). It’s just getting over making a mess of the walls due to crappy construction rules...
     
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    And.... done! Some small issues including another dead wall mount, but already sounds nice and neutral standing there.
     
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    Nicely done !! Can't wait to here some recording done in your new place ! ;)
     
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    Oh the pressure :). I have to install everything again now, setup speaker balance, and check the room response properly. I'm hoping to get going before too long. It felt SOooooo good to get it done at last, and know I made all that myself (with handling help).
     
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    It's so rewarding to get our hands dirty to make our passion happen, good for you my friend !
    I know there's a lot of setup work.. and you don't want to rush anything to end up failling ! ;)
     
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