Great Small Amps for recording guitar

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by Full Time Dreamer, Mar 11, 2003.

  1. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

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    Taking a 5 min break..

    What do those things sell for Kevin?

    This one on ebay is commanding more than a Sovtek head and a good Altec 12"

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2515014272&category=23790
     
  2. mixman77

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  3. Kurt Foster

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    I have several different options I use for recording guitars. One is a Mesa Boogie V Twin tube di. Basically a Mark III front end in a stomp box. This is a great bass di. I also have a Yamaha FX 500 guitar preamp multi efx box and a Line 6 Flextone. It has a di out that may be used like a POD. I can also use this with the speaker and a mic. But none of these can stand up to the tone of my 55 Fender Deluxe Tweed "narrow panel” (which I sold) or my ‘65 Ampeg Jet or my '62 Blond white knob Bassman. I personally like real amps. While the PODs and the Line 6 and the FX 500 have some cool effects the real amps beat them hands down. Kurt
     
  4. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

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    yes, but AMP Farm has lots of cool stuff also!!!!
    Imagining buying, renting all those amp models and speakers!LOL

    A cheap and small amp... Peavey Bandit 112.

    Yes Cedar, Fender Twin Reverb, a JCM 800/900 with a stack.....
     
  5. godotzilla

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    I totally agree with what Kurt said about real amps; modeling and DI can yield some interesting special sounds, but for pure guitar tone, nothing beats a real speaker being driven by real tubes. There is a huge difference. Sure recording real amps takes more time and patience, but the results, when done properly, are often breathtaking. Real tubes respond to a player's dynamics and nuances in ways that solid state, digital, and modeling gear can only dream about (in ones and zeros, natch).

    No offense to the Tech21/Sansamp stuff, which is good for what it is, but I can almost always tell when that kind of SS/DI equipment is used on a recording. Though I will qualify this by saying that tone starts in the fingers and the soul--a truly great player can make just about anything sound great. I saw Los Lobos on their last tour, and David Hidalgo was playing a solid state Tech 21 60-watt combo; Cesar was playing a Roccaforte tube head. David's tone was every bit as beautiful as Cesar's, but I knew it wasn't the amps, it was Mr. Hidalgo's amazing prowess as a player.
     
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  7. RecorderMan

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    ....on what planet does this blanket statement hold true?
    ...A sans amp is great if used ala Tchad Blake, ect. or in a pinch, but is can't do what a good unit of anuy of the amps I previously posted can do, if properly miced up and recorded. Digital modelinhg, while nice for speed in coming up with parts, isn't anywhere near the same thing as a real amp. And, they're are very few, if any new amps that compare with ones built 30+ years ago (of course only the good ones from back then ahve survived...the bad ones get dumped)...that's not to say there are not any new things that are good. the reissues are passably good..it's jsut that sonically point to point wiring, class A (in most casses) simple diretc circuit design, ect...justt "sing" better.
    Find a sweet blond deluxe, an AC30 topBoost, ect. and you'll hear what I mean.
     
  8. droog

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    yeah, it's like b3 v's b4, the latter's more convenient, but the former just makes you feel better when you play it
     
  9. mixman77

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  10. godotzilla

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    Werd to that, brutha!
     
  11. Davedog

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    Lets all get together and count those apples and oranges...and then lets count em again..and no BICKERING...I've played through a sans-amp 21...I can see where you might use it for bed tracks or some special kind of intimate guitar sounds, but again, and this is only MHO, the distinctive and more personable guitar noise is gonna come from an amp with speakers.One thats properly chosen and properly mic'd in a great setting for vibe.Now I'm sure that over at ole Warner Bros they have a room full of incredible jaw-dropping amps that we all would kill to own...some of us may own pieces and parts, but my guess is they have one of each....and, I'll bet they use em all the time....along with the sans,pods, emulators of every sort...BUT the real cream of the crop tracks with amps...as do I and recorderman and most other studios on the planet......
    another amp thats a fantastic tool that i dont see mentioned much is the FENDER VIBROLUX....what'd all live in caves? this is the real fender tone....how about an early Pro-Reverb? I toured with one for years...a twin sound without the huge volume bump...mid 70's JCM800's master volume only kick butt....and no mention at all of a Hi-Watt combo 1-12...
     
  12. mixman77

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  13. RecorderMan

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    OK Kevin...here's the post.
    He said great sounding small guitar amp.
    Like I said , sansamps don't fall into the "great sounding " catagory. Their allright sounding, and even better foe effet (distorting snares, ect.)
    Save me with your "experiance"....

    ...and the reason I asked what planet your on is becuase you said "believe it or not most major label...."...utter gear broker hype-bull $*^t. maybe sometimes a guy will use a sans-amp to record a part, but to say most, and give the illusion to people out ther that that is the case is wrong, and when i call you on it to give me an attitude...
    ...I've recorded guitars on everything from Smashing Pumkins & John Fogerty to Joe Walsh & Primus...none of those used a sans amp for nay of their great guitar tones.....


    ....see ya' all on some other forums...I'm leaving this one to the gear dealers... :w:
     
  14. Nate Tschetter

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    Howdy

    Most places I work at cherish their guitar amp selection like a fine wine. Some places, depending on the owner, more so than microphones.

    The SansAmp is cool, but, quite honestly I see it used on an aux send for distortion of _NON_ guitar stuff (like drums) more than as a guitar interface. Like the Pod, it can be useful sometimes just like "Burnt Sienna" is useful in the Crayola 128 pack (with built-in sharpener).

    One can own many good small amps. A Pignose, Smokey, Champ...there's lotsa good stuff. I really like small amps to record with. If you want to blind yourself, plug a Tele into an MXR Micro Amp into a Fender Champ...the provervial "Icepick in the Forehead".

    Geez RM, don't go...I've learned lots of cool $*^t from you. This here ain't nothin' but a biscuit.
     
  15. Kurt Foster

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    I agree with Nate. Baby please don't go... we need you so, baby please don't go.
    RM you have always been a mainstay here. There is no one who could replace your expierence and insight. ... all I can say is this is a major drag. What do we need to do to get you to stay? Kurt
     
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    Major bummer here. It's like the plague around here. I've tried minor compression but it ain't working. RM, no man. Have a cool one, give you little guys a hug and come back. :p:
     
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  18. Tommy P.

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    Full Time Dreamer,
    If you don't mind a small project as opposed to buying the same old stuff, :D :c:
     
  19. Wow, well, i am fairly new to this board, I've read and posted on some of the other recording industry boards, but i gotta say this forum is wayyyyy better. You guys all seem to know quite alot and have great experience to share, and i am benefitting from it.
    I do use modelers (never even heard of the J Station, gotta look into that, and i do like modelers for alot of things. Michael Beinhorn introduced me to the Pod, and if he likes it, (he's a super picky bastard and he loved it) then its good enough for me for alot of things. Amp Farm too. Great production tool when you dont know what kind of sound is gonna work. Fast, pretty good sounding, etc... And i totally agree that the right amp, the right guitar, and the right player are completely un modelable with any technology. But they arent always available either. i wish they were. but again, i wanna stay amplified whenever possible and get a working permanent set up at my studio for a real amp.
    As far as small amps, now i have a much better scope of knowledge and understanding on them. I THINK (havent bought yet), i'm gonna go with a Fender Blues Junior 15 watt combo.
    a few reasons, first many here have recommended it, as have others i've spoken to, second, i can buy it new. Now i can mix the hell out of a song, and record great tones, but i can barely fix a salad let alone a vintage guitar amp. I aint no tech. So, the Blues Junior with alot of pedals it will be, i think.
    for pedals i have an original Univibe, Diaz Tremelo, Boss DM-2, Zvex Fuzz Factory, and a vox wah, and a couple other crappy pedals.
    Anyone wanna take a left turn and suggest some "to die for" cool pedals for use with my soon to be new Blues Junior? None of the normal pedals that we all know about.
    you guys all rock, thanks for hookin me up with some great knowledge. More of these suggested amps will become mine over time. I'm compiling my wish list.
    -Ken Lewis
    Full Time Dreamer
     
  20. Davedog .. see page one I mentioned the Pro, Vibrolux, Princeton! I'm trying folks! .. I can also remember a live on radio concert we did way back where we played live and the guitarist used a tan fender super (2x10) amp .. great sound.. but I will say this, the player's the key, my old friend Little Buster (Little Buster & the Soul Brothers) used a univox les paul copy through a fender super reverb, and sounded like Albert King with that, besides his own unique unreal sound .. BB King has said Buster is the only guitarist that can replace him when he's gone. Not that the amp is not important .. but I've heard and see more guys get "sounds" from equipment that no one else can than I can remember. I'm also convinced that the small wattage amp is not the "best or only" for studio use, sometimes it's fine, and sometimes the body of the higher wattage (I'm not talking about full out use either) gives a tone at the relative same volume level that the smaller amp can not. Point being is that I would not be easily convinced that one amp or setup of simulators is the ticket. Odd as it may seem, I think I'd say the flavor of different effect boxes may sometimes be the thing to look at, since, almost every one messes with that small amped sound in some fashion with them as well, be that during tracking, or in the mix .. which to me puts a bit less importance on too critical of an approach during the inital tracking IF that be the case.
    Like I said on page one... we use a Peavey Bandit with an old Altec I threw in it .. solid state, great tone, interesting and usable distortion, wildly variable tone controls, horrible reverb, but I've a lot of guys ask : "Which one of your old Fender tube amps did you use on that guitar track...?"
    Keep an open mind and trust your ears not your eyes.IMO anyway!
     

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