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Groove Tude Brick or Sebatron VMP2000

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by Alyi, May 17, 2005.

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  1. Alyi

    Alyi Guest

    Hi! I need advice to buyin a good DI and Micpre.
    How's compare this two Preamp.Just compare for one channel.
    How's those sound like?
    Which one is best buy?
    I am into Hip-Hop and Rap music.
    My buget is under $1000
    Thanks for all you help.
  2. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    The Brick is a great preamp. I own it, and love the hell out of it. According to the pros in this community....it's the real thing just like all of the other big named preamps out there.

    Now to compare a one channel brick to the 2-channel Seb is tough. I haven't used the Seb, but I know that you can run the 2 channels in series (one into the other) for an added tube saturation and colour. I think that is a pretty damn cool thing alone. Also, the Seb has a few more gizmos to play with on it. The Brick is very straightfoward in operation....you plug in the mic and turn up the gain.

    No matter which way you go.....you'll be buying a great preamp that has a place in your setup no matter how much upgrading you do. That being said, I'd probably get the Brick (to save cash) and put the additional $600 out of your $1000 budget into acoustically treating your recording room or a nice vocal mic...even both!
  3. Operadragon

    Operadragon Guest

    About the Brick...

    Is there not an insert I/O on it?
    Many of the Pres I've seen lately have got one, and was just wondering how any of you guys would link the signal chain so there can be some mild compression on the front-end.

    My new upgraded chain (before buying he Brick) is:
    Rode K2--->K2 Power Supply--->JoeMeek 3Q (Insert I/O to FMR RNC 1773)--->M-Audio MobilePre USB.

    If I were to upgrade to a Brick, how would I do the compression?

    Brad Venable
    Voice For Hire, LLC
  4. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    "If I were to upgrade to a Brick, how would I do the compression? "

    Brick -> Compressor -> wherever...in series.
  5. Turner

    Turner Guest

    Don't know about the Sebatron, but I've heard and seen the Groove Tubes stuff inside out and it's really straightforward, no compromise and powerfull.
    Cheers ! :)
  6. Operadragon

    Operadragon Guest

    Would anyone please confirm that there is no Insert I/O on the Brick, please?

    I know how to hook up a signal chain without one, I just need to know that, having never seen one up-close-and-personal.

  7. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Well-Known Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    There's no insert on "The Brick" ... it doesn't need one. There's also no inserts on the Sebatrons except for the THORAX.

    If all there is to a mic pre is the amp stage with no output trim, like on "The Brick" and the ~Sebatron~ vmp series ... then there is usually no insert. With pres like the ~Sebatron~ THORAX, where you have the pre amp stage as well as an output stage, then you will usually see an insert point between the two.

    When there's no insert point provided, simply come out of the pre and go into the comp and then to the recorder or eq or whatever's next.
  8. Operadragon

    Operadragon Guest

    Thanks, Kurt...I really appreciate telling me that.

    I really didn't want to have to go from XLR to TRS and then TRS to XLR if I'm going:
    Brick--->RNC--->mobilePre USB

    But I guess I have no choice, do I?

    Brad Venable
  9. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2004
    where did you find a 2000e for under 1000 dollars?
  10. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    you need to bargain with good people to get a good price Frob!!
  11. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    I know where. email me if you're interested.

    wrs169 @ hotmail.com
  12. Alyi

    Alyi Guest

    Is Sebatron VMP2000 DI good quality for Mastering? How's the sounds like?Grit?Punch?Warm?Good for Rap Vocal?Drums?
    Thanks for help
  13. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Not really. Pre-amps are different than mastering devices. Some guys claim to master without mastering equipment. But I say "you can't record with mastering gear, what would make me believe that the opposite would be true"?
    You don't say "I'm going fishing. But I'm gonna catch 'em with my frying pan, and a fork". First you have to catch the fish with a different tool (a hook & a fishing rod). You don't come home with the fish and cook it over the stove with a fishing rod. You have different tools to cook his ass with.
    I know that there are guys who "master" (that's what they call it) without "mastering gear" but, mastering gear is alot more exp. than most gear, and to say you are mastering without mastering gear is the only truth to the whole subject.
    And for those who use pro audio gear for mastering, next time you go fishing just dunk your head under water and when you come up with a fish yell,
    Goo-nee GooGoo
  14. voidar

    voidar Guest

    It would be no difference in quality really as the signal will be balanced through the whole chain. Just make sure you end up in in a balanced line-in and not a mic-in.
  15. Alyi

    Alyi Guest

    I need make decision now.Just want to know is Sebatron VMP2000 DI ,MIC have "Record" quality for Vocal, Synth Drum, bass, Piano....when I recordin to my Computer? or Groove Tube Brick also have "Record" Quality for recrdin but no EQ. I know it's can't compare with Avalon stuff . I hope can release like the Independent Lable Quality not the Major Lable and I can't compare the sound, cuz I can't test those preamp in my country.So I need help
  16. voidar

    voidar Guest

    Both are considered pro preamps, but the Brick is cheaper and the Sebatron has more options.
    The Brick is on the clean side of valve-preamps. It has no output controll, only gain, so it will be hard to saturate much without cliping your A/D inputs.

    It seems to me like you might need a stereo preamp, so you have to decide whether two Bricks are better than one VMP2000.
  17. hawaii82

    hawaii82 Guest


    Well i'm using both (VMP4000e & the Brick)

    Both are really good stuff but i say :

    -Seb are really good for Instruments,samplers, Drums (kickDr are really good with the Seb). The EQ from the Sebatron isreally great

    -The brick, i really love it for vocals, just plug My ADK A48 thru the brick+RNC
    sounds amazing.

    so just choose what you need.

    PS also with the Sebatron you can tweak a lot more than the Brick so sometimes it could be really usefull (EQ hmmmm)
  18. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Is the Brick really that good that it rivals the mighty Sebatrons? :shock:
    Please, anyone else with both chime in.
    If it's true, I got to get one.
  19. Alyi

    Alyi Guest

    Yeah I wanna know more about the sebatron.Is it good for recordin a album quality? Mr. Kurt Foster.Could you tell what the sound "Color" of the Sebatron? Is it can compare with Avalon 737?
  20. hawaii82

    hawaii82 Guest

    Well i say no if you really want to compare !!!
    Why? because you can have much more with the Seb (EQ and tweaking) than the Brick and both sound good and hot.

    And Alyi : yes it's a good quality album sounding !!!, we've record all our album with it and and we've got good feedback about the sound.
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