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Help me record a kids rock ensemble and choir

Discussion in 'Ensembles' started by Gia, Jun 5, 2008.

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  1. Gia

    Gia Guest


    I need guidance to record my pupils rock ensemble correctly.

    Did you ever hear 'The Langley School Music Project'?:


    We want to do a recording in the same spirit (a nice, listenable lofi recording of kids banging out rock songs).

    Just so you get the picture; we play songs like Baba o' Riley (the Who), Wake up (Arcade Fire), 99 red balloons by BLondie etc. softer songs too.

    We are:

    2 percussions
    Drums with mutes
    A small girl choir (8 of them)
    3 xylophones
    electric guitar
    3 keyboards/ electronics/ vsts

    We play sort in a circle with me in the center (bandleader)

    This is my recording gear:
    two condensators Studio Project C3
    several vocal mikes (5 ou 6)
    a PA (to amplify the choir), an 8 track mixer
    Panels fore isolation

    Heres what I wanted to do. Do a blumlein stereo thing over my head (is that terribly delicate and tough to realize? I have no experience). Make the singers share vocal mikes and submix them in the mixer to the PA.

    How would you set up?

    ANY piece of advice would be very welcome.

    This could be a VERY special and unique recording. I don't want to spoil it by recording like a space cadet.


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  2. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Sure, G.I.A from Langley.
    I noticed you didn't mention how you were capturing the music.
    Spooked I am.
  3. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    Blacksburg, VA
    You basic plan (a stereo pair supplemented by a mix of the vocals from the PA) sounds good to me. I'd suggest ORTF or AB rather than Blumlein for the stereo pair. They will give a wider stereo field. You don't mention any recording device. What are you thinking of here? Do you have experience with mixing? Do you have a DAW?

    On a more basic level, how committed are you to doing this yourself? I've been involved with a couple of children's groups, and that's a lot to do without worrying about recording. This is a pretty easy recording job that a pro or semi-pro could do for less than it would cost to buy the recording equipment.

    Just to throw another thought out - a mid level consumer video camera with 16 bit audio and an external stereo mic like this provides darned good "garage band" sound and is a snap to operate.
  4. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    How does the 8 person choir normally set up with 5 or 6 microphones?

    My concern for recording is that the more amplified sound you add, the dirtier the mix gets. If they can hear them selfs well enough without the PA, and the band can hear them, I would suggest not running them though the PA for recording.

    As for the condensers, I would probably put them as high as possible on a boom stand as a coincident pair. Each microphone pointing to the furthest instrument on each side. This will add some room ambiance that you may not like the sound of.

    Because you just have one pair of condensers, you don't have to worry about phasing, (assuming you are panning each microphone to one side) and can put them just about anywhere. You might try arranging the group with the loud instruments at 12 o'clock, and the softer ones at 3 and 9. Put the vocals at 6 o'clock because they have their own mics. Then put the condensers between you and the groups at 3 and 9.

    Sounds like a fun project, I'd love to hear how it comes out!
  5. Gia

    Gia Guest

    I'm Gia for sure (and thats a fact!). But I must be clean about that: I'm not myself from Langley.

    I record on my laptop through a firewire M audio card. Two inputs.

  6. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    When I replied I didn't see that Bob Rogers had already replied. He knows his stuff. I would weight his suggestions higher than mine.

    I'm not sure that my coincident pair idea is that sound. The microphones would be pointing down, and would pick up the reflections from the floor, and probably worse, people moving or tapping their feet.
  7. Gia

    Gia Guest

    thanks a lot for your input, people, this is very reassuring!

    Its true I don't have to worry about phasing? Wow. Makes stuff lots easier (in principle, I guess).

    Where would you place the mikes?

    I would place them between the choir and the xylos and guit. another one to my left (If im facing north...)

    My mikes have three possible settings (cardioid, hypercard and omni). Wich one should I use?[/img]
  8. Gia

    Gia Guest


    I could find one of the cardioid (gulp).

    I went out and rented a pair of Audio technica ATM33a.

    Is that a good move?

    Where should I place the x pair?

  9. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    I wrote a big list of questions, and thought of several options, but I think it is best to keep it simple.

    My vote is for just behind and over your head looking toward the choir. That way the recording will sound about as you hear it.


    edit: oh yeah, set to cardioid, about 90 to 120 degrees between the microphones.
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    "99 red balloons by BLondie " /quote

    99 Luftballoons (99 Red Balloons) by Nena
  11. Gia

    Gia Guest

    yea youre right space.

    credits and kudos to Nena, wherever they are
  12. HemlokSociety

    HemlokSociety Active Member

    May 3, 2008
    Hey check this link out it should help.


  13. Gia

    Gia Guest

    thanks for your good tips and ressources, people. It really helped.

    We tried to record today and it sounded ok. Too bad they played like it was friday afternoon (wich it was...)

    Lets hope we do better next week.
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