How about this power amp

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by The_Red_Fool, Apr 9, 2005.

  1. The_Red_Fool

    The_Red_Fool Guest

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    The EuroPower features such high-quality components as toroidal transformers and ultra-reliable Toshiba®/Fairchild® high-power transistors. It comes equipped with independent channel limiters and selectable low-cut filters (30 or 50Hz), an efficient cooling system, XLR and 1/4" TRS inputs, plus Speakon and binding post outputs. Capable of parallel and bridged mono operation. 2x1,200W @ 2 ohms; 2,400W @ 4 ohms bridged.


    Designed to perfectly complement EuroLive speakers
    Toroidal transformers
    Ultra-reliable Toshiba®/Fairchild® high-power transistors
    Independent channel limiters
    Selectable low-cut filters (30 or 50Hz)
    XLR and 1/4" TRS inputs
    Speakon and binding post speaker outputs
    Capable of parallel and bridged mono operation

    It's well within the budget of my band and i think we'll go for tw of them, so i wanted to get so input on it from experts before i made the next move. The guy at guitar center recommended the QSC RMX 2450 but i think this one is just has good i dunno. and this is to go with the speakers described in my other thread entitled Power Amp
  2. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Jul 18, 2004
    Chicago area, IL, USA
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    It's not too often that I agree with the guys at Guitar Center...

    But in this case... :lol:
  3. Red fool, ALOT of people on this board HATE Behringer, so don't expect a good answer on anything from them, just get the power amp, its in your budget, and certainly has plenty of power.

    Power amps are generally very reliable, no matter the brand
  4. Attitude

    Attitude Guest

    Hi, Red Fool!

    I guess you have read my brief replies to your two questions.

    Indeed, a lot of people do hate Behringer, and not only on this website.
    I bet most of them actually do not know why they hate that company.
    Just ask them for a REASONABLE answer, a REASON and you will see that they probably will repeat what they have heard somewhere before.

    It is the circuitry that counts! I am going to repeat that once again, even more precisely: It is the curcuitry and the devices and the mechanics that counts! In general, any good device, in this case the active part, namely the transistor, can be damn good, but if you do not know how and which other parts to use and if you do not know how to design curcuits properly, you will f. the whole thing up in the end.

    I know it is hard to get a proper spec sheet which enables you to see how certain devices are connected together. And, as far as I know, I have never seen one from Behringer. BUT, to make a long story short, Behringer does NOT produce and sell crap all the time. Why then should people keep buying their stuff and helping that company to grow? Okay, this was a bit too polemic. I am going to get scientific again!!

    Several tests of my colleagues in the past showed that there was NO SIGNIFICANT difference in sound between good, i.e. well-designed, inexpensive gear and WAY TOO MUCH EXPENSIVE OVERPRICED gear. Some very expensive gear even had the WORST MEASURABLE performance rates... And MEASURABLE is the KEY, and not SUBJECTIVISM! PERIOD! At this point I would like to remind you of the never ending VALVE/TUBE debate. Fortunately, in every generation there is a group of people being not superstitious and having a strong urge to improve whatever their predecessors made. We (try to) improve cars, computers, planes, rockets, food, society, no matter what. But it seems to me that Audio of all things is still the last remaining section when it comes to STUPIDITY, SUPERSTITION and SUBJECTIVISM.
    No-one is likely to take a "subjective" or "superstitious" approach to the design of an aeroplane wing or a rocket engine. Imagine what would happen if an engineer would attach some "warm", "crispy", "vintage-style" parts to that aeroplane wing or to aeroplane electronics...

    I am a Rationalist. And I do not want to be anything else. No matter what the trend is, no matter what people say. No matter if I will be the peculiar geek. PERIOD!

    If you think that this certain preamp sounds good then go for it. Do not believe the hype or wannabe experts.

    Just one thing before I stop:

    Some say that a certain product must be bad just because it was made in China or Burkina Faso or in Martha Stewart's kitchen.
    I think I will scientifically examine whether there is a correlation in the change of a device's geographical position and the change of its physical performance and law. And I will invite you to dinner if they should nominate me for the Nobel price.
  5. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Yes alot of people do hate Behringer. I used to own some of their stuff years and years ago when they first came out. But no more Behringer for me. IMO the QSC will keep it's resale value, I don't know about the Behringer. Maybe it will maybe it won't?
    Reguardless, there usally are 3 different types of power amp's.
    1---The real expensive (bad ass MF's)
    2---The not so exp. (better than the cheap stuff)
    3---And then the cheap stuff (Behringer)
    Depends where you want your money?
    In yur pocket :D
    in yur gear :x
    Reguardless I hope you get the one you love most!
  6. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Jul 18, 2004
    Chicago area, IL, USA
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    I'll add to that - The QSC is a fairly cheap amp. The Behringer is a REALLY cheap amp. Although they spec out similarly, think about a couple VERY important things -

    The power supply in the QSC is reasonable - reasonable. The Behringer is underpowered. The QSC is around 35% heavier than the Behringer. My guess would be the power supply and heat management. Pretty important stuff.

    It's not like the GC guy was trying to steer toward a Carver or a Crown Macro-Tech or something - He's just trying to get you into something reasonable - and *still* inexpensive.
  7. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    The raw power spec do look OK
    I've never been a big fan of H Class amps in the demans of PA use.
    Home Stereo and Home Theatre is probably cool.

    PA gigs can tend to be LOUD right from the kick off and now quarter spared.

    H Class if my memory serves correctly is a dual rail voltage. One about twice that of the other.

    Popular with some PA people cos it reduces weight and as many PA operators know ... weight and space and transport is what a PA company can often end up worrying about more than sound quality.

    I dis-agree cos I think MIDs will highlight this even more. Screamming compressed guitars and wailing sustained vocals can make the demands of Mid range heavier than bass. True that Bass is often at the lower ohms as we use more cabinets but bass and kick bouces more so the constant RMS is less than Mids.

    I did use a specific under powered BIG amp for Highs and some foldback duties. We had a favourite for this job and is was a cost effective amp for horns. I wont give the name but if you looked at the spec sheet it would be abvious why and it's cost made a lot of sense.

    ... horses for courses

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