how cheap of monitors

Discussion in 'Monitoring' started by stupidfatandugly, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. I'm looking into purchasing some and they can be obscenely expensive.
    but I figure I should make it sound good on the cheap stuff and then it will sound good on everything.

    so what do you think about the $150 monitors?
  2. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    You do want to make it sound good on cheep stuff, but you don't do that by buying cheep monitors.

    Monitors allow you to hear more of what is going on in your mix. It will allow you to more quickly fix problems, and hear some that would not be audible on some cheep systems that are audible on other cheep systems.

    So mix on nice monitors, and audition it through a variety of systems including ear buds and computer speakers with a 4inch "sub woofer".

    I have a pair of Event TR8's that I got used for $250. Very smooth response and crystal clear. The only down side is that even with the 8" woofer, the usable bass only goes down to about 60Hz.
  3. BDM

    BDM Active Member

    Oct 23, 2008
    Mali, Africa
    what???? cheap monitors???
    it's only THE MOST IMPORTANT part of your gear!!!
    oh...wait.. the most important part is your mics... eerrr... your pres... oh noo, its the ummmm... room...instrume... i mean your ears...
    ummm, what was the question?

    i had some tannoy passive reveals that seemed very truthful and did not fatigue my ears- so i liked them! however, due to mobility issues, i bought a pair of 'cheap' powered yorkville ysm2p monitors (smaller, no HEAVY amp!) that lie to me, but i've learned which lies they tell, so they don't fool me so often. i do have to ask other headphones and speakers what they think the truth is, but they seem to exaggerate things also. so i extrapolate and get pretty close to what the what is what. i think...
    anyway, i made sure i did a major monitor 'shoot out' with a known cd at a music store, and these 'cheap' monitors came out on top (for the $$$). i thought i might buy some KRK, but they seemed REALLY colored (mid scoooop) in comparison...
    anyway, long post short, i think one can do an ok job on well researched 'affordable' monitors if you are careful. that said, my reveals are waiting for me in Canada...
  4. ok so m-audio makes a bx8a and a bx5a and I notice that the 8 has a higher wattage but I've been reading that you want to listen to it on the quieter side in order to get less reflections and room noise.

    so why get the 8?

    I think after what you said I should spend around $300 maybe but it goes on up into the thousands and I got to draw the line somewhere so I can stop using just my headphones asap
  5. Greener

    Greener Guest


    You want to make music. Do you enjoy listening to it?

    How much is your home stereo worth?
    Car stereo?

    How much then are you will to spend on what you will use to create your music. Or are you just engineering for others?

    Set the scene for me.
  6. Moved?

    did I put this in the wrong place?

    OK, I'll save up for a couple more months
  7. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    8" will give you better bass responce than a 5"
  8. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    If your room is holding you hostage, then it is in your interest to address that.

    Listening to music at a level so low that the room does not interact with it seems to me to be about the same as listening at a level so high that who can tell what is really going on in the mix.

    Indeed, ymmv ;)
  9. can you explain: better bass response?
  10. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Well, your speaker is only capable of moving a given amount of air for a given frequency at a given volume.
    Now, if you change the room which that speaker is playing into, you change the characteristics of work load on the speaker. Meaning, if you make the room a speaker plays into a better place, a place without sonic energy buildup, then your speaker works better, sounds better and more fun is had.

    Or so they say.

    Who is they? Ask them.
  11. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    If you are talking about the 5" vs 8", then think about a when you were a kid playing in a kiddy pool. Are you going to be able to make a big low frequency wave with a spoon or a paddle? How about a high frequency wave?

    The lower the frequency the longer the wave length. Long wave length means more air must move to make the wave audible. Big speakers have high mass, so they can't move fast enough to produce high notes efficiently, but they can move more air required to make bass tones.
  12. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Nov 30, 2008
    Lake Ki-Chi-Saga, Minnesota USA
    Hello all.
    I picked up a pair of Soundcraft Spirit Absolute Zero monitors a number of years ago used on ebay, not that I suggest using ebay all the time. They certainly sound great although they do fatigue the ears after a while. I really want to make a step up to Dynaudio some day!

    Good luck in your decision!
  13. Cotopaxi

    Cotopaxi Active Member

    Dec 12, 2008
    That is true, and also the 8" have been updated to the Deluxe version. The better bass response also make them too bass heavy...,idproduit,137898,mao,studiophile_bx8a_deluxe.html
  14. NCdan

    NCdan Guest

    I actually own and use a pair of M-Audio BX8a monitors, and I have to say that they seem good to my ears. I really can't fault them, but then again, I haven't ever listened on any very nice monitors. 8) I still like to do panning in my headphones, and quite frankly, I use my headphones for almost the entire mixing and mastering process. If I really want to hear EXACTLY what something is doing, or maybe EXACTLY how the mix is sounding across the entire sound spectrum, I'll turn to the monitors. Btw, my headphones are Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs phones -- I also use them for monitoring and playing around on my edrum kit. But yeah, you want at least 8" speakers to get an idea of what your subs are doing, because small speakers aren't very good at that. [/quote]
  15. song4gabriel

    song4gabriel Active Member

    Mar 27, 2007
    NY, USA
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    one of the greatest days of my life was the day i installed acoustic treatment to my room. i highly recommend treating your room. someone on his forum (i cant rmeember) told me to do that and it has made a HUGE diff.
  16. I forgot about this thread

    So it’s not possible to adjust the response curve of these monitors to adapt them to the room in which they’ll be used. Also you should be aware that there’s a vent at the rear of the enclosure: you will have to keep them a safe distance from the wall or it will affect the bass. This is a defect that was already present in the BX8a and which hasn’t been corrected in this version. In short, make sure you have enough space ...

    this is what it said and I have a really small room so should I look at something else?
  17. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    Aug 28, 2008
    Cincinnati, OH
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    The biggest issue I have is monitors/room.

    The thing about the rear port just means to make sure you're not sticking the monitors too close to a wall or corner.

    I have cheap Alesis Ones (passive), a pair of the BX5s, and a sub. I know someone who uses the BX8s, and loves them.

    I still have a major hole around 250Hz. Mixes sound great in the CR, but low-mid heavy (flubby, muddy, etc) elsewhere.
    So you might want to look into room adjustments.
    I've put up a host of auralex pads (behind, across from, at reflection points from the monitors), as well as some LERND bass traps under the pews in the CR (I record in a church, use the priest's chambers as the CR).
    It's a small room (7x11' or so) w/ a high ceiling (easily 12ft or more).

    It was suggested to me to make traps for the corners (fiberglass rolls w/ two 2x4s as a brace, covered in cloth). I think a cloud might also be a good idea. (for me)

    Try reposting this somewhere in the section on acoustic treatment/studio building. Give specific dimensions, and include a drawing or photos if you can. See if there's any cheap fixes to your room before you go out and buy more monitors.
  18. i don't have any monitors to begin with
  19. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Dec 18, 2008
    Western Pennsylvania, USA
    If you can make your mix sound great on cheap speakers, it will only sound great to everyone else who has the same make/model of cheap speakers in a similar room. The rest of the world that hears your mix will wonder what you were going for.

    I've used the Events and they are a very decent monitor at a reasonable price, I'd go with the 8" woofer.
  20. MrEase

    MrEase Active Member

    Jan 19, 2006
    West Suss ex, UK
    I find this an interesting commentary. The response of a room is relative to the level of the sound input and the relative levels do not change by changing the overall volume. Otherwise either the amp./speaker combination or the room are non-linear and this is simply not the case unless you have a really bad amp! The only thing that does change with level is our ears response. Put another way, if a room causes a peak of 5 dB at whatever frequency, it will do that whatever volume you choose and whatever speakers you have.

    Any room will not just suddenly stop interacting because you turned down the volume unless you turn it off completely, in which case there is nothing to interact with!

    Having said that there is really no excuse for not having a well treated room as a priority. Beyond that, the mixing level you choose should be very much personal preference. Too high a level and you will go deaf (in time) and too low a level will impair you ability to discern problems at the frequency extremes.

    Bottom line is that the frequency response of both the speakers and room is fixed, irrespective of level.

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