How loud should vocals be? I'm new b gentle lol

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by galexanders01, May 14, 2009.

  1. When I mix, I tend to turn the vocals down because I'm afraid that the vocals will overshadow the sound and I want people to hear the beat clear. THen people say the vocals arent loud enough, turn them up and use reverb. THen people say the vocals are too loud. Help lol
     
  2. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm... Can't please everbody? (So you gotta please yourself.) I do different things depending on a lot of factors, how good is the vocal performance, is this a lyric oriented song or a power guitar piece, you treat rock and a folk style differently etc. You gotta go with your ears and gut and if you are recording someone else their input as well.
     
  3. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

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    Tip: Heavy-handedness is bad for you.

    Imagine if every change you made to the mix meant you need to go and swing a hammer around in a greenhouse a little bit. The bigger the change, the more you swing.

    Go easy.
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Well-Known Member

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    sounds like its a clarity issue more than volume. Better gear, better imaging and clarity. Welcome to the audio nightmare lol.

    Now all you have to do is start reading and learning about what you need and how to use it.

    (y)
     
  5. peanutjar

    peanutjar Guest

    A (kind of funny, kind of serious) answer to what is the goal of your mix, from a high-end Nashville guy:

    "The goal is to make everything louder than everything else."
     
  6. RemyRAD

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    Getting a vocal to sit properly in a mix is the trick. Generally, it's not governed by the microphone you use. It's governed on how you process that microphone. By processing I mean dynamic range compression and/or limiting, EQ, etc.. You want that vocal to be placed in a little ball, suspended just in front of and with the rest of the mix. You want it to just sit where you put it and that takes compression and/or limiting. And both RMS & Peak detectors will provide a different tonality from one another. If they don't sound good on a RMS device they may sound better on a Peak sensing device. And those devices can easily be hardware or software. Even the stock issued ones in most general LE versions of bundled software are quite adequate without having to purchase additional plug-ins. In fact I believe that's a better way to learn what you are doing than purchasing plug-ins. Plug-ins are not the be all end all. And the use of a Shure SM58 for vocals is hard to beat. I don't care what you're using or what you paid. It's a classic sound with predictable results. The sound you've been hearing for years. Go for it.

    You get it soon enough
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     

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