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Discussion in 'Vocals' started by deleeuw, Jul 8, 2005.

  1. deleeuw

    deleeuw Guest

    Hi people,

    I'm doing some recordings for my band, everything seems to be kind of OK to me... except for the vocals they are really flat, dull, boring... I know its not possible to get studio quality with crappy gear... but i was wondering if anyone tried it and has a "nice" solution for me.


    Shure SM58 (BETA?)
    2 other unknown mics

    and a Superlux drum micset, as following:
    1x FK-2, Dynamic kick drums mic
    3x FT-4, Dynamic tom tom mic
    1x FS-6, Dynamic snare drum mic
    2x HO-8, Large diaphragm condenser overhead mic
    1x HI-10 Pencil condenser hi-hat mic

    I got this Yamaha mixing table, an oldy ;)

    Let me know if i have to add info...
    Thanks in advance!
  2. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Active Member

    Mar 26, 2005
    Which of those mics did you use on the vocals?
  3. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    You don't mention your medium for recording. Tape? DAW? Nor what software if DAW.

    However, the Shure is a nice mic, though rather more for stage than recording, perse. It would tend to have a rather "tight/flat" sound, I suppose - it's very "close-talking", meant to reject everything but the one vocalist, with mouth virtually(Or actually) touching the thing - no "room" sounds, etc. A bit of EQ, compression and reverb should be able to "open 'em up" nicely though...

    The mixer shouldn't matter much, long as it's quiet - probably up to your mics far as pre quality, at least for now. It's the recording software and plug-ins, used judiciously, that can, later, "make" the mix...

  4. deleeuw

    deleeuw Guest

    im using sequoia as recording software...

    what kind of compression would you recommend to get that more "roomy warm" ? instead of the flat sound i have right now.. ?

    thanks for the help so far!
  5. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    Really, the compression can help you get more apparent level - or at least a more consistant level, but the reverb and other effects are what can round things out. What? I don't know. Gotta' play with what you have. I don't know Sequoia.

    For a "fatter" sound, try singing along with an already recorded vocal track, to another track, then play them back together. Same person, same exact singing, same exact time(This sounds harder than it is, though lot's of practice and punching-in(re-takes from just before you "lost it" the last take) is needed, called "doubling" the vocals. Some people triple or more the vocal tracks! Of course maybe do all the doubling before adding any compression or effects, so it's easier to sing along.

    It is said Carpenters did 30 or more tracks of "doubling", on at least some of their songs, along with excellent EQ selection and reverb and it's hard to deny their "BIG warm" sound(Course the million dollar studio they recorded in, along with their talent and incredibly hard work, didn't hurt...).

    If it was "push-button" easy, it wouldn't be any fun at all......

  6. deleeuw

    deleeuw Guest

    true that.. :) thanks for your advice 'n help!
  7. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2005
    Just curious, but which model "oldy" Yamaha mixer are you using for the mic pre? Even in their heyday ( the 70's and 80's) their pro
    mixing boards were not designed for recording, and suffered a reputation foir being noisey and somewhat "masked-sounding"...
    ( lacking "presence" or clarity). You might try the mic through a
    different mixer. A small Mackie 1202VLZ has better mic preamps than most of those older PA mixers will have. TeddyG has a good point about double-tracking the voice. That will give you a fatter sound with more presence. But I would take a long hard look at what you are plugging that mic into....
  8. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Some of the older Ya-ha-mama PA boards were, in fact, some of the better-built boards made...discreet channels and mic-pres...VERY LARGE and heavy power supply....not much for routing and usually not too many subs and outs(usually 4 at the most)....this is NOT TRUE of all Ya-Ha MaMa boards, but there were a LOT of different models and configurations....If it is one of the discreet models(easily removable channel strips is a dead give-away)... there simply isnt a Mackie made that will sound as good as this thing CAN sound...given the proper usage and engineer.

    just my quarter.
  9. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2005
    The PM series (AFTER the PM-1000) have some decent pre's. The 1000 was a great board, but the mic pre's were its "achilles heal". I used to lease PM1000's to people like ABC Sports and various Christian broadcasters, and that was a common complaint. They (Y) worked with Deane Jensen to address that problem.
    But I doubt that's what he's got. I've owned MANY "old" Yammies when they were new(PM430/700, M916/1524,etc.).Bullet proof build quality.Headroom like crazy. But the mic pre's did have a relatively lower gain structure that YammyHa did not really address until the later series. They also offered a recording board in the mid 80's that suffered that same fate. Great features, routing ,build quality, and headroom. Just not enough jack in the front end...
  10. deleeuw

    deleeuw Guest

    Hey again,

    Just for some more info, the 'old' yammie is an M1516, the somewhat younger version of the 1524/1532 i guess :) i downloaded a manual for the 1524/1532 but it looks quite simular to the M1516...

    So if anyone by any chance has any good experiences wih the M1516... let me know :D

    I allready managed to get some nice drum recs out of the table, still struggling with vocals though... i also have a not yet connected ALEX Lexicon echo/reverb thing (just for the record).

    thanks in advance!
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