how to mic this weird instrumentation????

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by ozmorphasis, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. ozmorphasis

    ozmorphasis Guest

    So, here goes...

    1. There is a conductor seated in front of modified woodwind quintet
    From left to right( fl, ob, cl, b. cl, Bsn)

    2. behind them is from left to right: t-bone, vocalist, and computer/electronics

    3. last row from left to right: e. gtr 1, Upright bass 1, drums, bass 2, e. gtr 2

    The uquipment that I have is as follows:
    motu 896hd
    motu traveler
    soundleux U195
    Neumann km184
    pair of AT4051 cardiods
    Rode NTK
    pair of Rode Nt-5
    2 or 3 sm57
    a few decent pzm's

    This is pretty experimental music, but features some absolutely amazing instrumentalists/improvisers. They do get fairly loud in some places, and the room is unfortunately very loud and boomy...big rectangle with tall ceilings, and all hard surfaces...very untreated.

    All advice is greatly appreciated.

  2. mdemeyer

    mdemeyer Active Member

    Dec 22, 2004
    Dublin, CA USA
    With experimental music, can you be a little more specific about the goals of the recording? Are you trying to document a live event, or create some kind of 'artistic' result?

  3. ptr

    ptr Active Member

    Nov 3, 2004
    Göteborg, Sweden
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    I'm unfamilliar with the MOTUs, but given You can multi channel, I set Your AT4051 sligtly behind and above the conductor (pseudo ORTF), the NT-5's as a stereo spot pair on the quintet, the U195 on the vocalist, take a line or few from the computer/electronics position. The KM184/KSM44 on the guitars, a pair of PZMs infron the basses, and I'd rent/loan a pair of KM184/140 for drum overhead, given its a drumkit, a PZM for the basedrum will work fine... I'd possibly also set a couple of PZM's on the surrounding walls for ambience/effects/suround..

  4. Simmosonic

    Simmosonic Active Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Two thoughts...

    1) With experimental music of this type, I am assuming it is also of a contemporary nature. If so, that means we can probably take off our acoustic purity hats and consider close miking and multitracking. I find a lot of contemporary music actually benefits from less 'ensemble' and more up close detail. Sometimes the more intense sound suits it better and/or the composer prefers it that way.

    2) If the internal balance of the ensemble is half decent, you could consider putting two Crown PZMs on two sheets of perspex (plexiglass in the US?), about 60cm x 60cm each, and suspend them across and above the front of the stage. Experiment with the spacing between them for the best image, and their angle relative to the stage floor for the best coverage and direct/reverberant ratio. This might give you a good pickup of the instruments, but the PZM's polar response is 180 degrees (it's like an omni cut in half), so you'll cut out a lot of that potentially bothersome room noise you're worried about and most of the direct audience noise, too. If you use clear perspex it might be invisible to the audience under show lighting conditions (depending on where the lighting is comig from relative to the PZM positions). The sound from the PZM array will probably be quite dry and direct, which might suit the music, or you can add some impulse convolution reverb and no-one will be any wiser (heck, there's a computer on the stage, it's not as if the composer is thinking about natural purity here!). Then you might choose to spot mic whatever needs it with the most appropriate microphone you've got for the job.

    Anyway, just throwing some ideas around based on the tools you've got...
  5. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Because your music is experimental, I would mic each section separately and roll multitrack. If possible, I would also set up a stereo pair behind the conductor, for the overall pick up.

    You don't need studio condenser Mike's for this application. In fact you may find that SM57 are better for this application?

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