I need help with 2 major decisions

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by dax, Jan 9, 2003.

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  1. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

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    I guess in summing this up, thie is not right or wrong but it all comes from experience. In a blind fold test once when I was teaching the recording arts, I took a B&K 4006 with a Neve console and recorded a guitar. I then took a radio shack condenser (49 dollars) and a Mackie board. With EQ and my experience, not one student could tell which was which.

    It all depends on what will work for you. In another thread, I gave some examples of how to get the level up in mastering and I failed to mention one example of analog console to A/D to CDR input digitally but you know what?

    I have never had two mastering sessions (or even two songs on one session) go down the same way. That is what makes this "Art".

    When we stop trying something new is when we quit learning. Also, the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

    I like to share what has worked for me in certain instances but nothing I say is ever set in stone due to the thousands if not millions of varibles that occures in remaote locations. Even this facility has a Ghost that lingers about changin things so I must work very hard practicing my art many hours per day, every day, fine tuning and calibrating the monstor. I also feel all here have something to say and I know that tone gets in the dump from time to time especially when everyone here has experienced things they "KNOW" works certain ways. As an engineer, I can get most anything that is not defective to function the way I need it to for back-end results with patience, perserverence and open mindedness. Their are certain instances where one needs to agree to disagree. This past week I have had may share of BS go down and none of it was either funny or healty. Sometimes we talk things more seriously than they really appear and sometimes it is good to just kick back and vibe. I am not a Mackie fan by no means and I have harped until I am blue in the face about the horrible signal path and topographical design errors built into them but you know what?, not everyone can afford to dum 70K into their consoles Mic pres and line amps and I for one love it dearly when I hear someone making nice sound with a Mackie because in a true sense, that person has becaome an engineer simply by finding all the faults and finding a way to work around them and make things positive happen.

    Well, I hope that at least clears the air.

    However he did it, Fats has some FAT work out there in the record shops and I know who screws is as well so likewise. I also looked into your things to Mix77, you got it going on!

    The RO is a healty place for heated discussion but we need to learn all of us to read between the lines and get the most positive things going on.

    BTW, my keyboard is ^#$%ed up and I did not proof read for spelling so get over it damnit!

    Their was something very fowl in the air this past week, lets work to spray some lysol on it and have a damn good stress free week shall we?
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Well-Known Member

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    Mix,
    Dude, peace. I mean it. I just don't understand the reply. I asked a simple and valid question. No sarcasm intended. If I ever mean to "slap someone down" you will know it. No subtlety here! I still haven't got an answer. What are you and Soup talking about when you say a "pro console"? I will start out by telling you what I look at as a pro recording console. Excuse me if I leave one or two out. This would be an omission of error .... Neve, SSL, Euphonics, Focusrite, Amek 9098, Calrec, MCI's and to some extent DDA and NeoTech (although I don't much care for those last two). There are of course some custom built consoles that I haven't mentioned but that's pretty much it IMO. I don't suppose to be a prophet of any type, but I ask you to remember that RO is populated by readers who work primarily on DAW and home studio gear and this is the "small steps" thread. Not too many here have had the opportunity to work on much less own a large format board. I no longer own a studio (thank goodness) but I will say in regards to your statement
    my answer is, Why should I? Professional retail never supported me! That's like saying because I drive a car I should be supportive of the local Lincoln / Mercury dealer. BTW I'm not the only one who thinks those Focusrite pres in the 001 are sub standard. It is well known that the entire platinum range of processors from Focusrite is living off the laurels of the Red range of pres and eq's. You will never see those in these pro rooms you keep speaking of. You can't have it both ways. .............. Fats
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  3. mixman77

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  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Well-Known Member

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    It seems that the credits section of profiles was deleted (probably in the interest of RO economy) . I don't really like to site my credits because it reeks of SPAM but I will do it here again. My main claim to fame is I recorded Brownie McGhee's last record. It is out on Demon Records - MCI in Europe as "The Last Great Blues Hero" and in the USA on Westside Records -MCI as "Omega". I have also recorded several records for cult following Blues artist Kenny "Blue" Ray on the JSP / Virgin label including "Git It" and "In All Of My Life" as well as a record by Jackie Payne on JSP-Virgin called "Day In The Life (of a Bluesman). I also did several records for "Jeff Larson" for Embryo Arts / It Stinks out of the Netherlands. All of these records are available at Amazon . com or Tower Records …. You can do a search on Netscape of my name, Kurt Foster, and that will show up several more blues records and some head banger stuff I did too.

    To visit the supporting the business thing , I don't really care much for the retail end of the business. I know you can't stop progress but I think most of what is wrong with the record business lies with OEM's and retailers, sales execs etc. proliferating a lot of sub standard gear to those who know nothing about what goes into making records and telling them that all they need is the latest black box whiz bang gizmo and they can make records at home as good as the big boys. This is exactly why independent studios and large consoles are going extinct and why modern records can't hold a candle to those that were done in the 50's, 60's, 70's and to some extent the 80's. I yearn for the days when guys like Bill Putnam and Tom Dowd, who had some soul, were building their own gear and studios and it wasn't a game just for deep pocket spoiled rich kids. Now days it has all evolved into such a super snob networking thing I can hardly stand it! That's another reason I got out of the studio business. I couldn't stand most of the phony's who I had to do business with. This whole end of the business has turned into such an "elitist" thing, that a lot of people are being excluded (by the spoiled brats who have usurped the art) solely because of social economic background. Now days what it takes to own a studio or be in this business is "Money Money Money"! and if you don't have it you don't get to play, unless these same snots can make money off of you. Then when they've finished with you they discard you and move on to the next economic opportunity. I also lament the loss of a true mentoring system. Now if you want to get into the business Mommy and Daddy have to be able to cut a cheque for 10 grand so you can go to a "school" that has no pre requisites other than Mommy and Daddy being able to cut a cheque for 10 grand.

    The business has lost all of its soul, which is a bad thing for an industry that is driven by artistic endeavor. Rock and Roll sprung from the loins of economic and social deprivation. It just doesn't ring true when someone sings,
    "I've got the blues, because my Beemer won't start!
    Oh, "I've got the blues, because my Beemer won't start!
    I called up the dealer, who said they don't have the right parts!"
    ….. :D The drive for everything to be perfect, in tune, time corrected has taken all of the excitement and tension from the medium. I saw a post this morning where you advised someone to denoise a Leslie and I almost choked! Don't you realize that all the clicks, pops, farts and grind is part of it? Not just on an organ track but acoustic guitar squeaks, vocal breaths and so on. Not to mention what a denoiseing program does to the sound (which is the most important factor).

    This is turning into quite a rant (which I have become infamous for ) so I will stop here although I could wax poetically for a while longer on this. I think that to really record American pop and rock music, it really helps to have a "clue" about how the other side lives. We all become sooo jaded sitting in our multi million dollar facilities sending runners out for sushi and creamy coffee drinks that we have lost sight of the fact that this is "roots" music and it shouldn't be perfect, in tune and all that, rather the most important thing being feeling and soul. ….. Fats
     
  5. Prolab

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    Amen Brother!

    Is that a real song?

    I kind of thought it was rather hilarious.
     
  6. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

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    And *DOUBLE* Amen!!!

    Fats, you do tend to rant from time to time (as do I!), but *most* of the time I have to admit that I agree with you... One thing I can say, it is never a dull minute! :) You da man!
     
  7. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I just made it up... s'posed to be sung in a very White nasel tone.. think honkey!
     
  8. mixman77

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  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Well-Known Member

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    Thanks but I'm retired. Don't want to work no more! Finished! Livin' off the land!
    Sea Monkeys???? nyuk nyuk! .... Fats
     
  10. Kemble

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    I've heard that you can spank a sea monkey...but I'd say that all the spanking has already taken place in your extended disclosure of the truth.

    And let it be noted, that you seemed to have "Chuck D.'d" the opposition (a-shut em down, a- shut em shut em down......a shut em down, a shut em shut em down......)

    Awesome Editorial, Fats! (add my *triple* Amen!)

    JZ
     
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