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Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by DonnyThompson, Jul 31, 2014.

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  1. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    exactly as pcrecord just said.
    Wave files import. But the plugins don't. I don't use pro tools either. If you are working with a lot of Pro Toolers, best to keep on the same DAW.
     
  2. Johnny Blade

    Johnny Blade Active Member

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    This is the best thread I could find to encourage new users. It's interesting to see how some guys have the same point of view of mine.

    It's very confortable to know I'm not wrong, not even crazy!!!
     
  3. DonnyThompson

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    I think that the most important thing a musician / songwriter can do, is to get to know their DAW program as much as possible. Get to a point where commands and functions become second-nature.
    (Actually, I think it's important to hire someone who knows what they are doing so that the musician can be a musician and focus on the song, but I understand that many songwriters are now recording themselves ).
    Knowing your platform allows you to be more creative, be more of a recordimg artist, because you're not spending boat-loads of time trying to figure out how to do a particular technical thing, which can take precious time away from music creation... and which can interrupt the flow of your creativity. We all know there's that cool thing that happens as a writer/musician when you're in "the zone". Once you interrupt that, it can be tough to get back there again.

    While I love and use Samplitude almost exclusively these days, and I've come to know it pretty well, there are still things about the program that I don't know. But the more I get to know it, the more time I find myself actually creating music. And I would recommend getting familiar with your platform of choice to anyone, regardless of the DAW platform they use : be it PT, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, S1, Mixbus, whatever....
    Now... I do think that there are some platforms that may be better-suited towards writers and home recordists, some that have easier learning curves; DAWs that may not be as feature-rich as Samp or Avid - which in their full blown versions are progs that are geared more towards audio professionals - and as such, have steeper learning curves, because they can do more...
    But, for those who want to work quickly and efficiently, or just do simple recording to get their ideas down, to work out arrangements, harmonies, instrumentation...they should consider a program that is targeted more towards that type of simple recording, than those platforms that offer multitudes of features and commands - that most beginners don't know about, or how to use, or for that matter, even care about - or want.
    Getting to know your DAW - really getting to know it - regardless of which you use, will result in more time being spent actually recording ... than spending hours trying to figure out why you aren't.
    IMHO of course. ;)
    -donny
     
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  4. Johnny Blade

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    It is very well placed. Does someone "dominate" your DAW? To know is not to dominate - I know the English language but I do not dominate it.

    I swallowed the Samplitude manual countless times and I believe I have already used almost all the possibilities offered by the program. Currently I do not work more directly with music, but audio management continues to be a pleasurable hobby. If a simple need to record a CD to listen in my car is the order of the day, then Samplitude is a click away from my presence.

    Donny checked the question: the important thing is to master a work tool - whatever it is.

    From the moment I connected with Samplitude, I practically established a marriage. I can say that I know the sensibilities and robustness of Samplitude. I found my soul mate. I do not live for it, but I do not live without it. It is a great companion for moments of reflection, and since my vocation is monogamous, it is the only one who I love to see by my side, always.

    Well, many (many!!!) wine glasses aside, the most important thing is to find a tool to get accustomed and, from there, master it. And that's what I meant.

    Be happy with what you want. I am happy with Samplitude. :)
     
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  5. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    I've done a ton of freelance work over the years, finding myself in front of just about every Daw out there, on macs, tablets, phones, laptops, and pcs.

    What I've found is, if you've got the hang of one of them pretty well, you'll have a fairly easy time on any of them as at as the basics of tracking and editing. The vocab will change as well as the menu structure and shortcuts, but the basic funtions of any of them are straightforward.

    It's when you get past the basics that the mastery of certain programs comes into play. That's where being proficient can save time and make money, and daw selection is important.

    Having been messing w sam for a little bit, it's the program's stability, efficiency, and lack of coloration that's most important to me. The object editing, and frequency based editing are high on the list too, tho I've not jumped into that yet. High track count, fair licensing policy, and affordability are things that not every program of this quality level offer.

    One quirk I dislike is the pluggins don't seem to be re-arragneable, and the first plug seems to always default to the first slot. This could be my mistake, or a setting...? For example I'll usually toss a compressor and/or limiter on the master bus when all the elements are in the mix and the rough eq and balance and auxes are somewhere reasonable. I'll typically put the limiter on the bottom slot, and the comp above (before) the limiter, leaving the first two slots blank for potentially another eq and/or comp. this seems to not be possible in Samplitude (pro x3), and is sort of annoying, and borderline counter-intuitive. Again I'm assuming it's something I'm doing wrong, but if not, that would be my first and so far, complaint about sam. Second would be the in-ability to get rid of the eq section on the channel. Since I'm trying to keep things as easy as possible to move between platforms and daws, the built in eq settings would not move into say PT or Media Composer. Again this could be my mistake.

    Since I'm not über fancy when I'm working, things like reliability and small CPU hit have become much more important to me than they have in the past. Object based editing is probably the only feature that truly seperates sam from other daws in the class, and they are years ahead of the competition in that reguard.

    Samplitude runs smoothly on machines/devices that have no buisness running a daw. I've never really mastered a particular program, nor am I particularly slow on any of them. I tend to learn on an as needed basis, or from tricks and tips mostly. I've undoubtedly taken the long way around only to watch someone do it in a couple keystrokes lol.

    Sound quality and reliability aside, I feel the daw selection is one of the least important things relative to recording technique, gain staging ect. They all pretty much do the same thing in similar ways. That makes it easy to pick the one that's most comfortable or caters to your style of engineering/writing best. I don't find any of them "missing" anything and most of them run solidly. There isn't much of a compromise between them all which allows you to pick your fav without feeling like your sacraficing something.

    That said sam is my favorite so far along w pt (which is love/hate) since Adobe audition 2, back in the early 2000's. With reaper right up there for quality, ability to run on a thumb drive, reliability, and price.

    I think there is a serious lack of hardware integration in all the daws, leaving people who are used to a mixing board and control knobs, with nearly no options. Softube is offering a pluggin controller that's compatible with softube and UA stuff, so perhaps a truly integrated daw and control surface is just beyond the horizon for mortals unable to pay the avid price.

    Eventually they'll be a system similar to radar or the standalone hardisk recorders, or the mackie hdr/D8B recorder and mixer system, that will rid the daw of the software and hardware bloat associated with the basic PC/Mac. There's no reason in this day of digital, a system like that couldn't be successful and vastly outperform the computer systems we all use right now.

    With a lot of the digital mixers offering direct recording to a thumb drive, we can't be too far off.

    For example look how efficiently 'apps' work on devices VS how programs run on computers. The ability to start from a clean slate and code from the ground up for the devices OS really shows what you can get out of relatively modest hardware. A smartphone can do 24 tracks w pluggins reliably, something a desktop would somewhat struggle with, just over a decade ago.

    I think it really is time for a dedicated audio/video platform or format or OS or whatever you wanna call it. Perhaps more daws will catch on to Linux.

    As complex as Samplitude can be, I was able to jump in without much manual hunting for like a few basic mastering style sessions, start to finish. I'm very happy with sam.
     
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  6. DonnyThompson

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    For third party plugs, you can drag and drop into any order, for stock plugs, If you click on the top of the insert section, ( either channel or master) it takes you to a menu where you can arrange the order, and also make thing pre or post.
    :)
     
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  7. Johnny Blade

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    It's correct. That 'plugin manager' is very flexible, with both native and/or third party plugins.
     
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  8. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Awsome thanks D.
     
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  9. DonnyThompson

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    I find Samp's plug manager to be the easiest and most flexible out of any DAW I've used. To be fair, the last version of PT I had was back when it was still Digidesign, so maybe it's gotten better... I trust our resident PT users to tell us.
    I found Sonar to be a kludge, non intuitive and confusing ... but again, in all fairness, the last version I used was PE 8, so perhaps they've gotten better too). I think most DAWs have come a long way, but Samp is my main platform now so that's all I can speak to.
    However, Dave (@dvdhawk ) has been using S1 to capture for the OASIS project, and I certainly have no complaints about it.
    FWIW
    -d
     
  10. audiokid

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    @MAGIX

    And for conversation sake... let's invite Magix to this discussion now.
     
  11. Johnny Blade

    Johnny Blade Active Member

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    I did a link to this well done argument in Samp's Official Forum, in the Public Area.
     
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  12. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

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    Well, to be fair, the quote you used above is an older one, where I'm being very positive about Samp's platform. I was complimenting them, as they well deserve - but that quote isn't the point I'm hoping to get across to them now. My current feeling is that they arent doing enough to attract new users, of which I believe there will be more than a few of very soon, as soon as the dust settles over at Gibson.
    There are going to be a lot of Sonar users looking for another platform, and I think that if Magix approaches this in a forward-thinking way, that they could gain a fairly good chunk of those people who are looking. No one needs to sell me - or any other Samp user - on how good the platform is; but there are a lot of people out there who simply don't know about it being a great DAW to work with, and accordingly, move up to.
    I've already mentioned all of this here on RO in another post, and have sent Magix a message with these same thoughts.
    I think this message needs to get bumped up to their marketing department; while our Magix guy here has always been helpful, he had told me that these are things he really has no control over; and I can understand that. If the message can get through to the people who do have control over PR, hopefully my thoughts will at least be read and considered. I can't really ask for more than that. ;)
    -d.
     
  13. Johnny Blade

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    The link points to OP and, therefore, to all the discussion that follows it.

    Because of that message, I discovered this forum.
     
  14. Terry Leigh Britton

    Terry Leigh Britton Active Member

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    Actually, Donny, the forum at Samplitude has been happily FLOODING with new Samplitude users coming over from Sonar, so the recent killer sale they did apparently got them noticed! :)

    Good news all around.

    Terry
     
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  15. Tbozaudio

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    I saw a YouTube video where someone actually A/B the difference between a few DAWs and Samplitude. It was pretty noticeable and the comparisons were well done.


    I’ve used Samplitude for years and just bought ProX3 Suite. The plug-ins are very impressive
    For what it’s worth
     
  16. Tbozaudio

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    Whole heartedly agree! Been using Samplitude since version 7
     
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