Is there a way to take out 0-20Hz energy with VST's?

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by dxmullin, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. dxmullin

    dxmullin Active Member

    Jul 12, 2010
    Hey everyone,
    This is my first post, so hopefully it is in the right area.

    I am using Cubase 4 LE and wondering if there is any way to take out 0-20Hz energy with VST inserts. I am using Voxengo SPAN frequency analyzer and it is picking up a good amount of energy from 0-20Hz. I have tried a number of HPF and they all seem to fall off around 20 Hz. So I can get a dip at 20hz, but then it rises up as it moves toward 0 HZ.

    I have an old version of Cool Edit Pro 2 that has a butterworth scientific filter that does a decent job, but it can be a pain to import all of my tracks into an old program just for that.

    Anybody know of any VST's or EQ's that specialize in removing 0-20Hz energy? Preferrably on the cheap/free end of things. :biggrin:
  2. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Can you even hear below 30Hz? Highly unlikely. 20Hz is the low threshold of human hearing. Why even worry about it?
  3. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    hueseph, I don't think it's a matter of whether one can hear below 30 Hz. This is an important discussion. I find it quite necessary to frequently filter out sub sonics. Sub sonics can actually modulate your audio, adversely affect dynamic range limiters & pass a lot of gas, sonically that is. So it's actually prudent with instruments that do not have much low frequency harmonic content to high pass filter those particular instruments. This is certainly keeps things a little cleaner and helps to isolate the most important parts of the audible spectrum that we really need to hear.

    Most of this type of filtering is readily available in just about every piece of professional & semi professional software. Whether you are utilizing FFT filters, parametric filters, graphic equalizer filters, etc.. We are talking about fundamental bandpass equalization. I mean how much of that 20 Hz of the bass drum do you think you really need for it to sound like a monster bass drum? Answer: not much. And in many ways, I do similar filtering to the high frequency content in many instances. I don't want a full bandpass of 20 to 20,000 Hz. I want everything to be in its place where applicable. So filter out that grunge I say. You're not going to miss it and neither will we.

    Remember to clean up your frequency response after making your bed
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  4. dxmullin

    dxmullin Active Member

    Jul 12, 2010
    We may not be able to hear it, but it still ends up taking up energy that could be better spent making the rest of the frequencies that we can hear louder. Sure high compression or limiting can do that, but I like to give the music some dynamics and still be loud. Most mastering engineers have steep effective HP filters, but I am wondering if anyone has found a useful VST plugin that dramatically reduces or removes 0-20Hz energy. Most graphic and parametrics that I have found only go down to 20Hz.
  5. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Apr 19, 2006
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    Any high-pass filter automatically blocks d.c. An HP filter set to 20Hz means that its response is 3dB less at 20Hz than at (say) 1KHz, but it keeps on going down below 20Hz and has no response at all (infinite attenuation) at d.c.

    If you are getting the very low frequencies in your mix after applying HP filters on all input channels, you have something else wrong. As an example, I have seen this happen in digital mixers where an effects processor fed by an Aux and returning via a stereo input wrongly had some Aux level set in the stereo channel. This created a d.c. coupled feedback loop, and the d.c. level ramped up over a time course of a few minutes and then there was a loud crack as it wrapped around. Easy to diagnose once you you are alert to the possibility, but very puzzling to those who have never seen it before.

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