Is this a mixing or a mastering issue??

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by Danthomir, May 1, 2005.

  1. Danthomir

    Danthomir Guest

    Due to the everlasting budget-problem, I have to master most of my work myself.
    When mastering, I first listen to the mix on various systems, and make notes on the sound.
    Allmost everytime I find the mix lacking highs from about 4k. This is confermed by the Waves PAZ analyzer, showing a gentle rolloff in the high frequenties.
    When I compensate this with the UAD Pultec or Cambridge EQ's to a flat response in the analyzer, the mix sounds fine on most of my reference systems.

    Is this a common practice, introduced by ear-fatigue and monitoring environment or a serious accoustic problem wich has to be fixed?

    I mix trough Genelecs 1031A, with a bass rolloff enabled on the backside.

    Thanks for your help in advance,
  2. axel

    axel Guest

    hard to say, but if this is an issue with EVERY mix you do, than you should check your room acoustics, or soundcard, mixer, or any module your signall path involves,maybee some odd default settings which affecting the sound, etc, etc, i know the 1031's very well and there are absolut awsome monitors in that range... and should
    "tell how it is"
    also a good solution is to listen in the morning to your mixes, specially for finalising, as your hearing , specially the high frequency spectrum goes down over the day, even more after long hearing sessions.
    hope it helps.
  3. I-Quality

    I-Quality Guest

    I got exactly the same problem.
    i must record with too much lows or i don't know because most of the time I don't cut highs off unless it's disturbing but more on bass-mids and when the mix is at the "end" it lacks highs above 4-6kHz even though the rest of the spectrum is well balanced. I don't know how to improve on that because even when i record only direct (through my fw1884 di) it comes to the same.
    but then when i add the highs afterwards it sounds good...
  4. I-Quality

    I-Quality Guest

    actually this post made me think a bit...(happens sometimes)
    i wanted to see how it is in reality (is that so) so I took a spectrum analyser (cubase native one) from the dust and compared before and after and also compared with other mastered work of good facture .... i compared with analog style music i'm doing, that is mostly rock-punk-hardcore-metal
    a few points came out:

    1- even if I add the highs afterwards in the spectrum analyser it doesn't change that much in the spectrum (even if when listening the change is dramatic...)

    2- compared to the other mastered work, my levels (when adjusted) from 4kHz and up are far lower than those even if the rest (0-4kHz) is almost equal and if I raise more highs it becomes harsh and horrible

    3-another thing i saw was that on the frequencies between 1kHz-4kHz I have a lot more peaks than the others like it's going up and down like 50 times but on the other it's like just a few big fat peak or almost no peaks depending

    so now comes the questions what is going on?
    I know that from the start of the recording process it should be well balanced and I'm going to try to make it better next time but i'm not really sure how to achieve it
    for point 2 is that the cause of bad equalizer? or maybe not enough compression?
    for point 3 do they compress so much that there is no difference between frequencies?

    I hope some knowledgable person will help us out and i'm grateful in advance (even if i'm already 'cause of all the good things i learned on this forum.. :)
  5. soundfreely

    soundfreely Guest

    Don't forget about the arrangement. If the project is comprised of instruments sitting in the lower octaves without too many upper overtones, it will sound unnatural to hype up the high end. However, if it is a busy arrangement, consider pulling down some of the lower end of some of the instruments (maybe the cymbals). Then you could bring those instruments a bit further up in the mix without burying or muddying up the other needed tracks.

  6. Danthomir

    Danthomir Guest

    Maybe we have just "bad highs" and your ref. material has "good highs"... Hmm... So the gain of our highs makes the song sound harsh, and their highs makes the song sound bright...

    I'm going insane...

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