I've decided on wether to upgrade to HD

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  1. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Well-Known Member

    Mar 28, 2001

    For me the answer is no.

    1. I own a mix + rig with all the plugs, external clock, some neve's & calrec pre's/eq's, 1176LN, otherr sundry stuff.
    2. My technique definetly is what people pay for and since PT rigs are so ubiquitou in LA, I don't raelly charge for it. I include it in my rate.
    3. If someone has to have it...they can pay for it.
    4. For song writing, demos and post a mix+ and 44.1 the way I use it is more than good enough...for an album, it's either the same, or 2", or...whatever, they pay for it.

    5. It'll cost $10K-$15Kjust to get where I am now.
    6. My family deserse that extra change to be spent on them...
    7. It's aLways going to be there.
    8. Next year...or even the year after, they're be usde ones to buy.

    At least that's where I've been leaning...and thanks to digi's shortsighted exchange deadline...that's where I'll stay.

    How about you...

    P.S. Besides, digi the new HD (let alone the old Mix) doesn't have a RecorderMan plug... :D
  2. Mike Simmons

    Mike Simmons Active Member

    Nov 5, 2001
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    ...or "HD+ cubed, glued and screwed"...

    I'll stick with mix+ and maybe pickup a few more 888 interfaces on the cheap.
  3. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    I'm swinging like a gate in the wind!

    Where is OSX
    Where is MidiO
    I have two SC and now there are nothing!
    I hate the new interfaces! All I wanted was 16 in 16 out in one box. Only the 192 has soft clip. Pre is not an interface.
    Yep ... plugins.

    Compatibility with my LE is very important to me. We should see LE 2 very soon and I hope it brings what I need.

    DB25's ... did I mention I hate the idea of the DB25's.

    I will upgrade but when? ... I just don't know what to do and that deadline is just about here.

    Prediction time,

    Deadline extended and LE to have 32 tracks and NO OSX ....

    but what would I know?> ..
  4. davemc

    davemc Guest

    I would say LE would go up to 32-48 tracks now HD is 128. They have to get more into the market especially now with the Mbox thingy.

    PT HD will not bring you any work short term, most will update at some time, although as you know Kev there is a lot of PT3 and D24 studios around Melb as it is. They just advertise Pro Tools, the punter does not know. As RecorderMan said they pay you for your chops not the new fancy box.

    I am dead quiet at the moment, I keep swaying both sides of the fence. Last week working out the finite finances, Today I am on the if it does not pay for itself, then you do not need it side. Thinking last night if the digi002 comes out with 48 tracks, would I down grade and save money.
  5. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    I dont feel I deserve it.

    I feel it funny to be running on an old beige G3.. it's like Mad Max!

    Next I will be getting an assistant pedaling a bicycle attached to a generator!


    but...... I have some firewire clients knocking on the door at the moment.. see if that wipes the smile off my 'survivalist' face..

    I dont want to buy a new Mac :mad:

  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001

    I though you had aready gone HD?

    I have 001's and trust me even with a Kick G4 it is just not the same :( , It is a pleasure to get back home to the TDM system even on the old 9600.

    But Dave I do hear what your saying. It might al come down to .... do you want the others to have something you don't?


    don't be down about the G3 - a friend of mine runs the G3 ... I have a 9600 /G3 sonnet and still run OS 8.6.

    I think you have the extension chassis??? You could get a Firewire card. Transfer the session across to your SCSI and work on then copy back at the end of the day.

    Firewire shouldn't put you out of the loop.

    Or .... are we talking Firewire interfaces... :mad:

    This could be a bad thing!
  7. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    I have a SampleCel II card I never use... if I threw that out of the chassis, do you think a FW card would work ok?


  8. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Hi Kev,

    I ordered one when they came out, no plugs so I said do not worry about it and brought a Fatso, ISA430 and Drawmer 1969 instead. The HD3 and 192k system came in a month ago or so and they asked if I still wanted it, I said maybe if someone else wants it they can have it. It goes up around AUD$4-5000 after June 30 that is why I am swaying back and forwards. Probably be gone if I say yes.

    Since getting the 1969 and Fatso I use a lot less comps in the session so a LE with a RTAS oxford could get me by. Mind you I never have any room for my DUY stuff as my Mix3 runs out so maybe not.

    I keep thinking of getting out or scaling back, as I cannot get out of doing 60% plus first/second timers, so it is a catch22. I put the price up and get out of demos and bands drop off as no one has heard off me, Put the price back down and only get cheap shitty demos with bands who cannot bloody well even singer(the other weekend oh my god). US$60,000 latter and I charge $5 hour more then the VST/Tascam M3500 setup I started with.
  9. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Jule's describe the Mac slots to me.

    I was thinking you may have room in the Mac for the firewire card.

    On board Video
    Video Card
    Chassis Card
    Firewire Card

    Oh dear .... where is the Ultra SCSI card??

    If you can find room in the Mac I'm sure you will be able to transfer the sessions from the clients FW drives to your SCSI's...


    I hear you ...

    I don't have the answers.
    I've done the shitty bands. BUT most of the musso's were friends or connections of friends.

    When it's not fun .... just say NO.

    stay cool :cool:
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Jules, FWIW, I have a beige G3 too. However, it's not my PT machine, I use a G4 for that. But I did put a firewire card in the G3 - they're cheap and it works flawlessly. (I put in a USB card too which works equally well, but you probably don't need that).

    I use the G3 primarily for internet, personal use, accounting, correspondence, printing, etc. That allows me to keep my G4 completely pristine with a minimal number of system extensions for recording use only.
  11. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Thanks guys I have a firewire card coming tomorow (I hope) I will ditch my SampleCel II TDM card (swapping for an Mbox!)

    and have heard it will work well in my exp chassis (fingers crossed)

    Hopefully on Monday the Brand New Heavies will come in and do some transfers... (PT to Logic) the guitarist is a regular client of mine..

    Thanks for the reports & ecouragement!

    Office work is done in my flat / apt.

    Studio Mac is pure music..

    Palm desk top diary runs on studios Ibook which doubles as a MBox PT station (& Logic)
    also fitted is an Airport card for wireless internet access anywhere in my VAST complex (ok.... - it works in the toilet & the live area too!)

  12. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    CT, USA
    I'm feeling as flakey as everyone else out there.
    The bottom line is that people come to you for 'you'. With 3gh proccessors on the horizon, is it possible that a native system with the new 8000s could be viable. I'd hate to dump 15k for PTHD only to find it's not needed in 2 years.
    One possible way is to keep Mix3 and add some farm cards or do the PTHD update with the digital interface only then upgrade the 8000s at the end of the year? Tape is starting to look pretty good to me again. :eek:
    Maybe 8 track cassettes?
  13. don't tell me you're actually doing this ..... nah .... what am I thinking

    :eek: :eek: :eek:
  14. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    That's an idea!

    This swap is not a Digi swap .. it is with a mate - right??

    Keep that Mac pure. :D
  15. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Ok well, I have done it. Pick up HD system on Monday, was going to pick it up tonight, let this weekends tracking go without a prob first(just incase). I have to to get the cables setup done. Went for the HD3 with the 192 plus extra 8A/D in, and will keep the 882/20. Was going to have to update the A/D I have from the 882 and 1622, an ADAT bridge plus a AD16 was going to cost around $9-10,000 or 2 88/24 would be around $8000 and I do not like them.
    Will bite the bullet and keep in the game for another 12 months and then see where I am at.
    Will take me thatlong to pay it all off.

    Can get an Oxford beta to see me through to until it is out in a few weeks. The Sony guys are pretty cool and its a free upgrade anyway. I have the McDsp downloads already.
    Might only update WM soundblender to start with and autotune.

    Now I have to work out if I consolidate some of my plugins.
    Anyone want to buy my DUY or BF stuff off me??

    I will post next week what I think off it all, now I have fallen off the fence I will see what it is like.
  16. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Dave ,

    Keep us posted!

    That deadline is getting closer and I have to get off the fence one way or the other.

  17. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Hi Kev and Everyone,

    How are you all?
    I am broke, but will survive.
    I fell off the fence as the upgrade going up was worrying me. If they do it or not is to be seen. Then there is the 2 free plugs, I will get Maxim and Softsamplecell.
    Of the DUY plugs I am really only using Max at the moment post-fatso/1969, so maxim can replace that and I can sell off the DUY stuff.
    The oxford beta being available was the final straw.

    I went for the extra 8 A/D in the 192 as I was finding it hard to go back to 16 tracks, 18 would do me though. So 24 it had to be.
    I have been taking the dual out of the Buzz from the Kick/snare and squishing it through the Fatso on the way down. So I end up with a squished and a raw track. I have not been compressing them once in PT lately, just blending the two, with EQ.

    Will let you know Monday arvo how it all went.
  18. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    No $*^t Sherlock !

    But I hear you can handle it. I am still wondering if I can??? :eek:
  19. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    I will ditch my SampleCel II TDM card (swapping for an Mbox!)

    That's an idea!
    This swap is not a Digi swap .. it is with a mate - right??

    Yeah, a dealer / chum was desperate for a SCII card for his own productions.....

  20. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Hey Kev,

    What’s your PT setup at the moment?
    For me it always came back to the 20bit A/D of the 882 and 1622. I have upgraded my front-end pres/comps etc.. Although kept leaving my A/D's.
    The old saying it’s only as good as your weakest link, kept going through my mind.

    Now to work out which plugs I upgade and which I sell off.
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