Discussion in 'Monitoring' started by Vanillaice378, Sep 3, 2005.

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  1. I just got a pair of JBL S26 studio monitors. Are these monitors good? They costed $400 pair and they are passive.
  2. Heres the specs


    8 Ohms

    Sensitivity (2.83V/1m): 87db

    48Hz - 20Khz -3db

    Crossover Frequency: 2000Hz

    1in pure titanium dome tweeters with EOS waveguide.

    6in Polyplas cones

    Baffle :Low Diffraction, IsoPower

    FreeFlow flared

    Network: Straight-Line Signal Path

    All-Metal, gold plated 5-way binding posts

    22 pounds per speaker

    H x W x D 17" x 10" x 10"
  3. axel

    axel Guest

    damn, vanillaice, you are really missing the point here, you want one of us to say if those jbl's are good, you just choosed them!!! so you will know if you like 'em or not...

    you ask really funny questions, and the point is that you live in a country (it's the us right?) where you can walk into trillions of shops and listen to and try the gear yourself...
    i can understand if someone from some remote country with no propper audio gear supply needs some backup or relies on recommendations of this kind...

  4. Does the specs look good for studio monitoring?
  5. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2005
    Sure... all studio monitors should weigh 22 lbs. :D
  6. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    All that really matters man is the frequency range.
    But the closer you get to 20Hz -20kHz then the more bass frequencies (lower end) you will be able to hear when mixing.
    Sometimes when a reference monitors "roll off" point is around 48Hz or 50Hz then the bass frequencies are almost non-existant
  7. walaby

    walaby Guest

    You better choose JBL LSR 28P or 25P.
    Those are exellent monitors and they are active.
    Have fun.
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
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    You really have no idea, do you? How about imaging? What about linearity? What about efficiency as in how loud they will get @ 1 watt and @ one meter? There are a lot more things to consider than just frequency response. And while we're on it, actually 50Hz. is pretty freakin' low ... Have you ever heard a 50Hz. tone? How about a 40Hz. tone? As 20k is usually beyond most peoples hearing abilities, tones below 40Hz. are entering the region where most people would need the gain increased a bit to be able to hear it ... and even then you're gonna feel it more than hear it.

    Add to that most "home" and "project" studios are not of sufficient volume to be capable of handling low end below 50Hz accurately regardless of how much bass trapping and other treatments you paste up. It's akin to stuffing 10lbs. of sh*t in a 3lb. bag ... you just can't do it.

    So what you wind up with in these "too small" rooms is a lot of bass anomalies ... nulls and peaks that have nothing to do with what the program material is really doing ... in other words a system with deep lows in a too small room will "lie" to you about what is going on in the deep bass. You're better off with a monitor that rolls off below 40 or 50 cycles (or even higher) in that kind of room. Although you can't hear the deep bass as well (in small rooms) on a system like that, you will still get a better mix. I know that sounds counter intuitive, but I have discovered that at least for me, it has been true.
  9. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    South Florida
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    LM mf AO
    The absolute funniest thing I've read, EVER!!!
  10. JamesG

    JamesG Guest

    besides this whole conversation
  11. axel

    axel Guest

    yupp, here he is, we have a W... replacement, and he is doin' a damn fine job :D :wink: :D
  12. Pre Amp

    Pre Amp Guest

    :evil: 10, :twisted: 9,8,7,6,5,4,3 :? ,2 :x ...1
    What's your major malfuction Kurt?
    And when you say"You really have no idea, do you?"
    I always felt that a question with the answer attached...is because you don't really want to hear the answer.
    So here's your answer...Yes I do have an idea.
    And my ideas are just as welcome on here as any of these other people on here "with no idea".(as you so tactfully put it)
    You don't seem to be able to differenciate between the guys who are new (and can't understand what a flux capacitor is, quite yet) and the guy's who are "on your level".
    Even I can understand that Vanillaice378 is new and needs a little direction. Something you don't seem to understand. And instead you attack me with some idiotic comment.
    Kill the messenger. Right? That will shut them all up.
    Then it will be you, talking to yourself, and you, can answer your own questions, all day long.

    You really think Vanillaice378 understands imaging? Or linearity? Or efficiency? With info posted like that?
    Speaker weight? :mrgreen:
    Do you really think your helping him or me with your petty insults? Or are you just trying to make yourself feel smart & important?

    I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. Most guitar amps freq. response is from 60Hz to 20kHz.
    That's because the lower freq. are bass waves. Thats where all the bass is. Anything with a roll off around 50Hz -60Hz is NOT gonna reproduce accurate waveforms that reproduce the sound of a great bass amp/player or kick or tom drum sound.
    For instance...the Yamaha NS10's had a roll off around 45Hz or so. And as a result, they sucked because of it. You could record and mix on them, but as soon as you put the disc in a home stereo, the bass was "all of the sudden" BIGGER. Sometimes too big.

    Hey Kurt...I'll sell you a bass rig that has a freq range response from 50Hz - 20kHz.
    Want to buy it?

    Also, even when you "can't hear" the frequencies generated by a set of speakers, you can definitely feel them. But if your speakers roll off at 50Hz or so... then most if not all of the lower end is gone.
  13. axel

    axel Guest

    as far as i am concerned, this is the 3rd post of vanillaice i follow in this forum, he has been clearly given a lot of advice and help to understand what it sometimes comes down to, he has a great amount of ignorance and not accepted any of the knowledge that is or was given to him... or sometimes he seems not even to read propperly... the answers to his questions...


    so i am not all surprised about a certain angryness or jokes...

    that said, we know that not everyone of us (including myself many times!!!) are great diplomats, but still good producers / engineers or musicians who can pass knowledge on, and if vanilla would be really interested in the subject he would ask deeper questions and go, hey hang on a minute explain to me what is: linear, blah, blah, or whatever... but he doesn't make an effort... IMO
  14. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2005
    You go out and buy a pair of JBL's budget-line studio monitors for $400.00 and ask about your choice after the fact, be prepared for some heat.
    And as far as the frequency response listed for a guitar amp as being "60Hz.-20KHz", that is total CRAP! NO guitar amp manufacturer designs their amp to go that high (unless they want "buzzy hissy harmonics", or that low (60-cycle noise/hum artifacts). Most guitar amps don't have any response above 5-8KHz. I have been building and modding Fender, Marshall, Supro, etc., since 1970. No way.
    Frequency response specs alone are no way to judge a playback system. The stated response of those speakers is within the range of most "near-field" monitors on the market. The stated SPL is mediocre in efficiency-you better have an amp with some balls.
    Marketing terms, like "EOS", "FreeFlare". and "Isopower" don't tell you anything....but the DO list their weight!!!!
    They say nothing about how well the mixes done on those speakers will translate to other systems or how little "listeners' fatigue" they will generate during a long session.
    I have owned LOTS of JBL gear over many years. They are a big name in the biz. But their cheaper stuff is just that. Flimsy components, cheap cab construction, with a generous dose of hype...
    The ONLY way to check out speakers is to audition them with program material that you are very familiar with. Listen to the detail, the balance, etc, THEN decide. Based on YOU, DUDE, not a bunch of number-crunchers!
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