Keyboards: The lost subject

Discussion in 'Synths / Samplers & VSTi' started by ChrisStuckey, Aug 16, 2002.

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  1. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    C'mon... Doesn't anyone like to talk about synths around here? I mean we've got Nate here, and we just don't use him.

    Nate what's you favorite synth these days? Or if you were to buy one tommorrow which would it be and why? (I know you probably already have em all).

    I really love my Nord Lead 3 because of the way that it growls and screams. I find that it has (Nord leads) a very unique "machine comes to life and is very pissed off - Everybody Run!" sound.

    But then like women, I find (almost all women) each of them beautiful in their own way.

    So the ms2000 is very groovy as well. It sounds kinda kazooish sometimes... Kinda like you got a comb and wax paper with pickups on it. And the bass is supa fatt! And you can get some really crazy results with the step "sequence" feature. For the price I think the ms2000 is just about the best littlebignoize maker out there!

    Then comes daddy, the k2500s, very very pretty. Easy to create "worlds" with. Just close your eyes and if you have a good imagination it will make you see things (without drugs). Although I will probably be 100 before I could ever say I mastered that beast!

    I've evn got an old jupiter4. BT is said to use it on every song. He must have his tuned a little better than mine... If you don't know who BT is check this out. He is a musical genius, and I normally try to introduce those who have not heard of him before. BT . I especially like his first two albums called "IMA" and "ecsm". Do yourself a favor and check em out.

    OK well that's about all. I'm just tryin to get a little action stirred up on one of my favorite subjects. Ask questions, make remarks, answer, even make fun of me if you want. Just POST IN THE KEY/MIDI SECTION OK?

    OK! Peace! :D
  2. pan

    pan Guest

    Peace, I love my Juno 106 and the Matrix, always wanted an ms20, but got a Korg Wavestation - anybody knows of any use for it? -pads, pads and quirky as hell, everything sounds like a "wavestation-demo"...

    Waldorf pulse was a great voice on "Music" and this guy's soloalbum.

    And the good old Minimoog.
  3. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    Yeah, there are all kinds of sweeet synth lines on music. were ther other synths used as well?
  4. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    If I had to go out tmorrow and buy something, it would be either a Nord Modular or an Access Virus Indigo. I've been working on a project with a friend of mine and he has both these instruments. I would actually lean a bit more towards the Nord than the Virus. The Nord is cool. Its real modular synthesis.

    If I thought it would pay for itself/I find a sugar momma/win the lottery, I'd get a French Connection. Unfortunately, there's not much call for it on the "Oye Como Va" or "Ladies Night" circuit.

    I agree with LBN, the MS2000 is a pretty cool little box. I've messed around with it in the store and its a zippy little synth.

    I know lots of cats that have the K2500 and swear by it as their main "workstation". I've never used it.

    I like the older Roland synths more than the new ones. The MKS80 was an excellent synthesizer. The Juno-106 was great for "fat plastic" sounds. The Oberheim Matrix-12 and Xpander were great instruments too.

    The Wavestation and other wavetable synths are interesting. I've been doing an '80s project so I picked up the PPG plugin for the keyboard stuff. Its pretty darn good and I like that they've given you the option of keeping the instrument's inconsistancies or correcting them.

    I'm pretty happy with the very minimalist setup I have. I have a Minimoog with the Big Briar MIDI kit. I mean, what can you say about it? Its a Mini, it makes those "GRRRRRRR" sounds, it requires tuning about as often as a guitar does...there it is.

    Then, I have a Yamaha VL1 and VL1m which they'll have to pry from my dead, clutching hands. They're just the most expressive instruments I've played...ever. They never really caught on like wildfire as they were prohibitively expensive when they came out. All I can say is, if you can get one on the cheap, make it so.

    For drums I picked up the MAM ADX-1 Analog drum synth. Its perfect for my minimalist mentality. Five sounds each with ten knobs. That's it! No patterns, patches, no nothing. My same friend who has the Virus and Nord picked up a similar module made by Vermona. Its also quite nice with a few more sounds and audio input processing.

    There are my "gigging keyboards" that are basically the only "ROMplers" I own (Yamaha S80 and EX5). The S80 has acceptable action and the EX is a pretty decent synth with sampling, Virtual Analog and Virtual Lead (VL) capabilities. But, they're ROMplers...they are uninspiring to play. There are many reasons "why" they are so uninspiring but maybe that's an editorial for me to write. I don't think making an instrument that "I" would like is a wise business plan for a manufacturer.

    The only other instruments that I use here are the "real" ones: Hammond B3, DynaMyRhodes or an old Rhodes Stage Piano. If I could get a real grand piano, I might actually learn how to play again.

    Well, I've blathered on long enough....
  5. GentleG

    GentleG Guest


    I love synths, but am low on money :-(

    I use the Nova by Novation (I've posted on this a few months ago) and I love it.
    I think it's better (specs) then the ms2000 and I prefer the sound above a virus.

    The best thing about the Nova is it's great way to modulate everything with everything.
    Sure, the presets are very clean sounding, but for this kind of money I couldn't find anything better (and you can create very wobbly sounds with it, after some getting used to)

    And maybe a bit weird in this topic, but I also realy love the substractor, a softsynth in Reason. I takes a while to learn how to program something not digital sounding, but then it's almost comparable to a ms2000 (check out my song 'where' on my site for an idea on the substractor, everything but drums and vocals are substractor)

  6. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    The indigo 2, subtractor and now the maelstrom, and of course anything nord are some of my favorites too. I'd love to have a novation as well. Oh hell, while we're wishing lemme get one of those q+ as well!
  7. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    I posted this in DAW cafe a while back but for those who haven't seen it. What do you think about this?

    Hartmann Neuron
  8. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    I saw the Hartmann at Winter NAMM. Listened to it for a good half hour or so. It was a great sounding instrument. The way a sound could change from one thing to another cannot be described in text. I was really intrigued by its synthesis engine.

    Absynth is similar sounding and about 1/20th the cost of the Hartmann. I'm still waiting for some "quality time" with Absynth to see what's under the hood.
  9. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    I've got absynth, but there is a bug that exists with some part of my configuration. The parameter dialogue box associated with "generate ar pulse" in the envelope section, does not appear. That makes it impossible to move forward in the envelope shaping process. So I'm screwed til ver 1.3.3. :mad:
  10. GentleG

    GentleG Guest


    got myself a yamaha dx200 today
    very cheap looking, not so great drumsounds, but...

    a dx7 with knobs and filters :)

    so again, whatever people / the media say about this little ugly green thing, it's...

    a dx7 with knobs and filters :)

  11. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    Its probably cheaper than my zany idea of running my TX816 through 8 Sherman Filterbank 2s.

    Is that the little tabletop box thingy?
  12. GentleG

    GentleG Guest



  13. Dannii

    Dannii Guest

    Hi people.

    I'm new to this forum and have a passion for vintage synths.
    My rig consists of:
    Yamaha SY77 and DX7 mkI,
    Roland Juno 6, Juno 106, JX-3P with PG200, SH09, System 100 and System 700 sequencer.
    Frostwave Quad midi-cv converter.
    I have modded some of these synths to add extra i/o. My SY77 has analog clock outputs for the System 700 sequencer and the DX7 has cv inputs. I've also added extra i/o to the SH09 and Juno 6.

    I also use Reason 2, Rebirth, ARP-X8 arpeggiator, Soundiver.
    My DAW is a Mac G4 with Digi001 running ProTools 5.2.1 (32 track).

    If you want to hear this setup in action, there is some of my music on my website (click the link in my signature).
  14. ChrisStuckey

    ChrisStuckey Guest

    Hey, I like your music danii. That's a pretty cool setup. It's nice to see a woman involved with synths.
  15. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    I'm impressed that someone would add clock out and CV to an SY and DX!
  16. Dannii

    Dannii Guest

    Thanks guys :cool:

    Actually, my SY77 has just developed an annoying fault. Basically, it works for a while then freezes (no response to anything). Lights are on but nobody's home. If I remove the backup battery and short the PCB terminals (not the battery) for a couple of minutes (to discharge any caps) then solder the battery back in place, it comes back to life but only for a few days.
    The battery voltage is at 3.2 volts under load.

    Has anyone else had this problem with an SY77?? Mine's worked fine for ten years until now.
  17. knightfly

    knightfly Active Member

    Jan 18, 2002
    Dannii, what type of battery is it? Do you know what the nominal voltage is supposed to be? 10 years seems long enough for any battery to go bye-bye. What may be happening, is that when you take out the battery you allow it to slightly "recharge", just enough to get above the threshold where the kbd will work again for a while - other than that, dunno... Steve
  18. Dannii

    Dannii Guest

    Thanks for the suggestion, Steve :cool: . It's a 3 volt lithium battery (CR2032, I think). I measured the 3.2 volts after the synth had been left off with the battery connected for a couple of days so I'm pretty confident it is OK. My SE50 EFX unit also uses one of these and last time its battery died, it measured 1.8 volts open circuit.
    My boyfriend (also a techie) suggested unplugging and reinserting the EEPROMS which are mounted in sockets. I'll give that a try and see what happens. IC sockets can be a little unreliable, particularly after so many years.
    Hopefully this fixes the fault. My SY is my workhorse and main clock source for the analog gear. It's quite annoying to have it freeze in the middle of a project.
  19. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    I would get a new battery anyway. Just to take that out of the equation.

    Re-seat the eproms is good but be careful. This is relatively old gear so think about the issues we now all take for granted.

    Brain damaged synths while switched on can also come from strange power-supply things. Do a visual check through the power supply for obvious things like dry joins or cracked PCB tracks and hot components.

    Faulty Synths are a pain to work on!
    good luck

    I spent some time with a Virus Hardware two days ago. WOW ... it's the first time in Ten years that a Keyboard has really grabbed me!!
    Is it that good?
  20. Nate Tschetter

    Nate Tschetter Active Member

    Feb 28, 2001

    I've been using a Virus Indigo on and off for the past year. It is "^#$%ing killer". The guys at Access really have it together.

    Its not as fun for me to program as the Nord Modular but they're two different beasts.
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