M-S on acoustics with m160 and k2 in fig. 8

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  1. stickers

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  2. RemyRAD

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    Well Sticky, I liked both. Although when I listen carefully to both, initially I liked the stereo space better with your first example but your second example was a little more mellow and mono.

    I came to the conclusion that your matrix channels were swapped. I arrived at this conclusion by using the vocal cut method of reducing center information and instantly got more low-end bass on your first example. It should have been the opposite effect. By adding out of phase center middle to the mix, it should have reduced low-end response but instead, it increased it, indicating that your matrix was backwards. I dematrixed your first example and believe it's possible that you had the channels reversed when you decoded the matrix? I heard what I thought was figure 8 in the left Channel and middle microphone in the right Channel? So I'm not quite sure you got your first example correct? Again it all depends on whether you like a broader space or a tighter more mellow and intimate sound? Either way it all sounds lovely.

    So good job Sticky!
    wasn't that fun and educational?

    MS Remy Ann David
     
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    any more feedback...
     
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    I don't hear any difference?

    Remy
     
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    Remy, you silly goose. I didnt make any changes. Im just want other people to respond besides you.
     
  7. RemyRAD

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    I can't understand why you haven't gotten more feedback they are beautiful samples?

    I know you didn't make any more changes I'm just being my silly self.
     
  8. vladlv

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    I think both contains same "Stereo" level

    In fact i think both can have different function in mix
    First is Totally Rytmic Function
    and second is PAD+Rythm Function.
    it depends what is your mix about and what functions already present
     
  9. road_weary

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    Yes... beautifully played! What type of guitar were you playing? It almost sounds like a Taylor....

    Both clips sound great. I prefer the first because of it's broader stereo image.
     
  10. stickers

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    It's a martin custom. its a guitar center special edition, i guess. Ran around 900. I liked the way it plays and sounds better than the more expensive ones. I was in there for 3 hours playing practically all acoustics.
     
  11. Cucco

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    Hey Stickers!

    I'm afraid to see this thread die and hit the next page so I'm bumping it again.

    I listened to them on my home computer (Yamaha computer speakers... :x ) but what I heard I REALLY liked. I agree with Remy's comments about the stereo information being better in the first one. That doesn't mean that the second would make a bad take - quite the opposite - when you're wanting that close, intimate sound, a narrower field is better. It just doesn't seem to scream M-S to me - more "close XY"

    I'm going to give the courtesy of a good listen tomorrow while I'm in my studio over my dyn's and let you know more then. I'll also test Remy's other statements for validity, but I believe she's right. It's all too easy to accidentally reverse the polarity of the wrong side of the MS fig 8.

    Keep it up dude!

    J. :cool:
     
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