mastering live taping?

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by dubs, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. dubs

    dubs Guest

    Hi there,
    I did a live taping of a JOhn Mayer concert (he permits taping) using a minidisc and stereo mic. I would live to dump it on my Pc and have a shot at making it sound better. Currently it sounds quite boomy in the bottom end (b/c of teh subsin the FOH) and alittle distant. Can you suggest some way of making the recording sound :
    1. more upfront
    2. less boomy in the bottom end
    3. Remove the occasional distortion in the bottom end.
    I have soundforge 5 and t-racks mastering software and various plugins.
  2. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Houston, TX

    It's like in tracking, if you record "wet", there is really nothing you can do to remove the recorded effects after the fact.

    If you record a band with a stereo mic in the audience, you will be stuck with what ever effects the room (and soundman via the PA) has added to it. This will translate into a "room" sound, boomy bass, and bleed from the audience as they are far closer to the mic than the performers are.

    You may be able to do a bit of EQ and compression, but the "up front" sound you want is just not there! Would you expect an acoustic guitar mic'ed at 30 feet to have an "up-front" sound?

    If you recorded distortion, it will be there. If it was a mic overload, it will be there. If it was an A/D "over", it will be there. Not much fixin' can happen here, either...

    Maybe someone has some better advice? Sorry, Charlie...

    Later :cool:
  3. Don Grossinger

    Don Grossinger Distinguished past mastering moderator Active Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    just north of NYC
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    Try filtering the bottom end (HPF) until the boominess disappears. You will probably lose bottom, so you might want to try to find a bass frequency that is not so boomy (cuts through a little, most likely around 125) & add a little back in to compensate. If there's distortion you might have to live with that.

    Add some mids. Listen to the vocals & guitars & keys. Depending on the room & how far back you were, you might try around 1.25K to 1.8K. If you have another band of EQ you might also try around 3.5K a little.

    Then add back some mid highs around 6.3K to make the sound sharper & give some definition back.

    None of these frequencys are exact. I don't think any compression is a good idea. I have no idea how your "master" sounds, but this used to work on Dead shows many years ago. Play around, you have nothing to lose. It won't be perfect, but it can help.

    Tapers seats are usually in the back, if I remember correctly. Stealthy tapers in the old days tryed to get closer to the PA system for more direct sound, but there was the constant risk of discovery & ejection. Depends on your level of dedication.
  4. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Here's your first problem. Can you get the mini-disk into your computer without using your analog outs?
  5. dubs

    dubs Guest

    My minidisc had optical line out. My delta 66 card has spdif in and out - i think I need a converter box for it, but yes to transfer digitally it is possible! :)
  6. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Houston, TX
    If this live recording is the only thing you would be bouncing through the converter box, I wouldn't waste money on a Coax to Optical converter.

    With a room recording through a little stereo mic, analog bouncing will not degrade the signal more than it already is. The digital bounce would not help the "room sound" or his distortion problem at all. Save a few bucks unless you will have future use for it.

    Good luck, and let us know how it turns out...

    Later :cool:

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