Mega-Noob alert- help needed!

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by greenshirt77, Mar 30, 2008.

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  1. greenshirt77

    greenshirt77 Guest

    Compared to what most of you normally discuss here, this is small time stuff, but I'm hoping that I can get some much needed assistance.
    I am a drummer, which makes me inherently inept at "tech" stuff. lol

    Actually, in the past I have recorded drum tracks on my Boss 8 track dig using a Roland V-Pro kit and they have turned out fairly well.
    I am now attempting to record tracks using the same Boss unit (BR 864) and a newer V-Pro kit. The older kit was an early V-Pro model that utilized the Roland TD-10 Sound Module. The newer V-Pro kits have the TD-20 module.
    Since attempting to cut tracks with the newer V-Pro set-up, I have had issues getting the proper levels and the tracks are ending up distorted as all get out.
    If (by following the instructions for input level in the Boss manual) I set the Input Level where it doesn't peak out, the overall level seems WAY too low- even with the MASTER fader all the way up.
    I was originally running the V-Pros through a Mackie 12 ch mixer (1202 VLZ Pro), as I can fine tune the drum sound much more than by only using the built-in mixer on the Roland TD-20. Thinking that I was just complicating things by running through the Mackie, I ran straight from the TD-20 into the Boss, but this did not solve the issue.
    I've tweaked all of the obvious (obvious to me anyway) - the master level on the V-Pros, the levels on the Mackie, etc... - and can't get it right.
    I'm prob missing something that's obvious to someone who knows this stuff, but it's eluding me and hence, making me crazy. Seems like it should be so simple, even for a drummer.
    MUCH thanks in advance for anyone who can take a few moments to give some suggestions.
  2. greenshirt77

    greenshirt77 Guest

    Someone? Anyone?
    Any suggestions would be helpful- even suggestions for other resources/forums where this type of issue may be more commonly discussed.
    I'm anxious to get this ironed out and get some good tracks down.
  3. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Cocoa, FL
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    I used to mix a drummer with an older V-Drum kit, he had an 8 channel DI that he brought with him to plug the brain into the mixer ( Direct outs 1-8 ).

    How are you connecting yours?
  4. greenshirt77

    greenshirt77 Guest

    Not sure what model V-drums he was using, but I'm assuming he did that have more control over each pad/trigger at the main board, just like miking and recording an acoustic kit.
    There is a mixer built-in (as well as effects) to most sound modules. This is what I use to adjust all of the levels for each individual drum sound/trigger.
    Then I simply run direct out of the R/L MASTER output and into the mixer. I can further tweak the overall sound/levels of the kit as a whole on the Mackie, then run out of that to the Boss DR.
    As I mentioned in the orig post, I attempted bypassing the Mackie thinking that it was just complicating things, but I still have the distortion/clipping issue.
    When I recorded with the older V-drums using a TD-10 module, I simply ran direct out from the MASTER into the same Boss DR, and was able to get down some good clean tracks.
    Later today, I will be checking the TD-20 to make sure I've got all effects off. Maybe I missed something that's muddying up the mix.
  5. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Cocoa, FL
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    I've had issues with Mackie's (specifically my old SR24x4) in the past, with the level of Kik and Snare on acoustic kits (868 and 57 mics respectively) clipping with the pre turned all the way down.
    I had to use in-line pads to compensate.

    I suggest you try DI's on those L/R outputs.

    A quick second thought:

    Is there a -10 switch or gain adjustment in the brain, possibly a global setting?
    If so, try switching it (lowering the output gain) and see what happens.

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