Mic pre drums for jazz/r&b

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by lvchief, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. lvchief

    lvchief Guest

    Hello to all
    Ive enjoyed the information on this site :cool:

    Heres my question
    Im in the process of upgrading my studio
    To record a jazz drum set (Gretsch)
    The person who will be playing the set is a very capable player.
    We are in the process of purchasing these mics.. ( any other suggestions/comments/Criticism
    Is welcomed

    Overheads 4033x2

    As far as mic pres goes …. We are looking for some guidance or any experience with
    Mic pres for jazz/ r&b sound for a live drum set

    I know better than to think the Alesis mixer pres are going to get the sound we want
    So we are looking to possibly get 2 good pre amps. $4500 Budget

    Those of you that have recorded Jazz and R&B ( 70’s funk ) sound do you have any suggestions toward which pres to go with

    Im thinking I cant go wrong with a combination of an API lunchbox and maybe a UA 2-610 to start out.

    Of course these will be my first good pres so I would also like to use them for guitar (same Jazz & R&B format) and keys …..
    And will be going into a DAW
    My Sound Card is a Delta 1010 which will work for now… I personally would like to get the better pres now and upgrade the Delta in the near future

    Any comments and or suggestions are welcomed
    Thank you for your time
  2. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    There is nothing that API mic pres are not terrric for.

    for classic jazz, i did this entirely on API (check the audio samples):

  3. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    That's exactly where I was going William.
    You can get an API 3124+ (4 channels) for under $2,500.

    I might suggerst a different kick mic though. Look into the Sennheiser e602 or, if you can find it, an AKG D12.

  4. KungFuLio

    KungFuLio Guest

    Just to chime in...
    Love api312's
    Even better for me in Jazz land is the GML 8304
  5. OddsAre

    OddsAre Guest

    just a thought...

    I have heard nothing but good things about Universal Audios new mic pres, the 4ch version (4110) for around $2500, and the 8ch version (8110) for about $4300. These pres have abput 80db of gain meaning for the quiet Jazz stuff there is still plenty of gain. And if you can swing picking up some ribbon mics, even better.

    Speaking of mics, I have been using Josephson C42 (matched pair) for overheads for over a year now and they sound amazing. Best $800 bucks ive spent on mics yet.

  6. ianb79

    ianb79 Guest

    just a thought brother...
    you want to sound like 60s, early 70s jazz and funk? then you gotta use what they used. Don't forget that heaps of those classic james brown breaks were recorded with 1 or 2 mics: 1 mic (ribbon or large condensor) a couple of feet in front of the kit and mic number 2 as an overhead - a couple of feet above and pointing at the snare. make sure your kit sounds like funky drummer in the room you plan to record in - i.e. get your source right. the rest is all soul.
    I have recorded in great studios with great pres/compressors etc and i am obsessed with the sound of early 70s curtis/james/kool and the gang etc - if you use 57 d112 etc using modern techniques you won't sound like those old breaks - you will sound like ugly 90s acid jazz. I use 2 ntks in my local church hall straight into my old ampex tape machine = gold man! there's a lot more to it than pres man - otherwise dj shadow wouldn't be stuffed finding all those obscure breaks - he'd just play new ones.
    man it's cool you're chasing that sound dude - good luck!
  7. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2003
    In the FWIW column,

    I've worked with Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown's former drummer) and A LOT (most) of that sound is because of his incredible playing. I've worked with some great drummers in jazz and classic r and b, but no one's backbeat was even close to what he can create live.
    You've got to hear it to believe it.
    As far as recording goes, simple is usually better and Kurt Foster's advice to have 'em beat the skins and go lightly on the cymbals is always a great idea.
  8. lvchief

    lvchief Guest

    You guys are the best. Thanks for all of your input and suggestions :D
    This site rules :cool:

    I know I cant go wrong with the API that’s probably what im going to do and be done with it … I have been looking at the UA 4110 but I would rather wait for some more feedback or actually get my hands on one for a period of time to “try out” Although its UA I don’t want to run to the store and pick it up.
    I know Im not the only one that get excited on new products

    thanks again !!!!!!!!

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