micing w/o attenuation

Discussion in 'Recording' started by andshesbuyingastairway, Apr 28, 2007.

  1. maybe this is another remedial question, but for the guys that want to saturate their tubes and overdrive their speakers without an attenuator for that purist effect; do they just place a mic many feet back from the amp? can you give me some examples if any of big name guitarists who have done this?
  2. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

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    Purist to me means clean, prestine and shortest signal path. I don't know what you are asking specifically.

    I assume you are talking guitar tone. The guitarist wants to open up to get the best tone out of the amp. You can pad the mic, turn down your gain on your mic preamp. There is no such thing as a purist setting for the mic and preamp, because the source volume can never be the same, plus a thousand other variables that are too tiring to mention.

    Some of the best recordings have been made with the band playing live in the same room, with smaller properly loaded amp/combos, at low volume. Many guys will use older 30W Celestions and low watt tube amps. You don't need a wall of sound from Marshalls, Boogies, etc. Infact, the louder you play, the more the room comes into it, and then you have a nice mess on your hands.
  3. yeah well, 50 W saturated is pretty loud dude... hell 50 W marshall no master volume is loud at 1 and a half

    by purist effect i mean guys like yngwie malmsteen who specifically will not use an attenuator because it doesn't overdrive the speakers.

    for the guys that use marshall (without master volume), what did they do? hendrix, page, van halen, etc.

    i'm assuming the guys like slash who use the jcm800 don't drive their master up all the way?
  4. dementedchord

    dementedchord Well-Known Member

    well you might consider a larger closet in your mom's basement... heavily padded.... use a head and cab instead of a combo so you can keep the head outside near you.... also you wont have to worry as much about ventilating the amp....
  5. you're a tool that continues to post irrelevant BS in commentary to my posts. if you have nothing constructive to say then ^#$% off. far be it from me to stop you though, i guess it's your attempt to mask the lack of knowledge you possess on the issues at hand.

    other posters; please don't let my harsh words to demented stop you from posting in reply to this topic.
  6. dementedchord

    dementedchord Well-Known Member

    well it finally rears it's ugly little head....

    although i'm not a homosexual...i'm also not a homophobe.... you'll have to do better than flaunting your own fears....

    it was constructive... lotsa studios have isolation booths... and are quite effective....

    and i'll put my knowledge and EXPERIENCE up against yours any day.... your persistence in asking inane questions and then refusing the answer is legend and would benefit from some masking.... or at least a but of dither....
  7. "it finally rears it's ugly little head" shows me that you have been doing nothing but trying to get a rise out of me for some reason with everyone of your dumbass little comments. "my mom's basement"? you know nothing about me man, i'm sorry that you think you do, but you don't. so if my questions are so "inane" i have a simple word of advice for you, don't try and answer them. why would you? i mean you and your experience are so beyond them anyways.

    p.s. john hardy works out of his momma's basement

    again other posters who actually care about the topic; please don't let this guy sway you from response.
  8. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    Houston, TX
    A good dynamic mic won't be afraid to get in the face of a 4x12" cabinet at full tilt :) . MD421, SM57 etc. Very high max SPL mics.

    Read Slipperman's guide to recording Distorted Guitars. Some good stuff in there.

    I also agree that getting the head into the C/R is a fantastic idea, and leave the cabinet in the live room/iso booth unless the player prefers to be in front of his/her amp while tracking (for the interaction).

  9. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

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    Come on fellas. Be nice before you get a slap on the wrist.

    If you are talking about the major league guys with great rooms, it is not uncommon to have some people do the wall of sound thing in a room while tracking in the control room. Valid point.

    I guys it depends on the genre of music. Guys like Tom Petty, etc play quietly.
  10. well yeah but it's not necessarily just in terms of volume we are talking about here. part of that purist vibe is the undeniable nature of saturating your power tubes. (while still being able to drive your cones)
  11. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

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    I am not saying that they aren't getting all of the tone, etc. The speakers and loads are the key to getting all that can be had out of the amp at a lower volume. Volume in this case does not equal less tube "saturation".

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