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Microphones for vocal acappella group

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by Veru, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. Veru

    Veru Member

    Nov 17, 2012

    My question is not that much about recording but maybe someone could still help me.

    I am currently singing in czech acappella vocal group Voxtet - http://www.voxtet.cz (5 people) and we are using our mixer, amplifiers, in ear system and wireless AKG C5 mikes.
    Half year ago I started another acappella group, also with five people but we don´t have already budget for buying all above so we want to start with wired microphones.
    We have mixer and 2 Sennheiser-E865 and we need to buy another three mikes for stage performance. I would like to buy it from AKG or Sennheiser and I would be very gratefull if someone could help me.
    My goal is to find hypercardioid condenzer mikes that would fit to our E865s (that one is supercardioid), to eliminate monitor feedback as much as possible (we won´t have in ear system yet).
    Also any experiences in this area are very welcome.

    Thanks in advance,

  2. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    Aug 26, 2010
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    i have never used the Sennheiser-E865: (
    Mostly a dynamic mic freak here, but I bet someone will know a bit about these.
  3. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2005
    Why not 3 more 865's ? I realize that the "hypers" are more directional than the "supers" but the differences are fairly subtle. If you are having feedback issues, there are probably other factors in play that are contributing to this.
    Where do you place your stage (floor) monitors in relation to the mics?
    Also, something that Pan60 alluded to, condensers by their very nature tend to be less "feedback friendly" than most dynamics designed for live vocal use.
  4. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Apr 19, 2006
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    I agree with The Moon that you should consider some more E865s. They have the best directional pattern of the 835/845/865 series for this sort of work, but you have to be careful at high frequencies (above about 12 KHz), where the rear rejection is only about 10dB. If you roll off the foldback monitor channels sharply at around 10KHz, you will have more microphone (or monitor) positioning flexibility at the levels you need before squealing sets in.

    Assuming your a capella group performs in something like a squashed semicircle, I would use two floor monitors positioned together near the focal point but pointing at right angles to one another, i.e. at 45 degrees to a centre line through the hall. Then arrange your 5x E865s on stands facing up towards each performer's mouth but at roughly 45 - 60 degrees from the monitor line, rather than facing along a line from the monitors. This may take some squared-paper planning and a little care to get the mics' pickup pattern to cover the vocals uniformly and to allow for natural body movement.

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