Mixing: Levels?

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by dugstervision, Aug 27, 2001.

  1. On a really basic level, I'm grappling with the
    dynamic differences between foreground tracks and
    background tracks. Looking at today's releases, it
    seems as though background elements are way up in
    volume. So you have a vocal track that finishes
    it's phrase and then immediately the following
    non-vocal section is also way up there in volume.
    During the lead vocal part, the average RMS value
    of the entire mix, might only be slightly higher than the rhythm track section, even when there is
    no lead instrument fill.
    So what strategy should I have where every
    section of music along the timeline is almost the
    same volume? I could be wrong, but it seems to me
    that current albums are alternating the focus
    between lead vocals, and rhythm tracks that are
    big walls of sound with, hopefully, interesting
    textures and complexity. So if the music is in
    our faces, during the time when the vocal has
    paused, it's up to us as mixers, to make sure the
    loud rhythm tracks are interesting, 'musical',
    and support the emotion of the vocals.
    As an aside, I have to admit liking more
    dynamic mixes, because there is more of an emotional range, and more 'drama' in general.
    Anyone have some good strategies for handling
    (relative)track levels? -doug
  2. Mixerman

    Mixerman Active Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Allot of today's records are overcompressed, and overlimited. They have no dynamic range, and everything sits static in the mix.

    Seeing as you have come to the realization that dynamics are more dramatic, why strive to bring your work down a few notches in quality?

  3. That makes sense, Mixerman.
    I guess I'll just go with my instincts,
    and use as much dynamics as I feel is
    appropriate for the tune/album.
  4. John Heals

    John Heals Guest

    I like compression
  5. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Well-Known Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    And?.......I like girls...so....? my point is on my head...where's yours.

    Sorry all...I'm in a silly mood tonight. (lack of sleep recently)
  6. Hack

    Hack Active Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Little Rock, AR
    dugstervision..... listen to anything by stained. You can totally hear the mix compressor breathing on everything. When your vocal is a little or a lot too loud and you comp and limit the mix real hard, you will hear the mix swell up whenever the vocal is not going. It reminds me of when all I had was a yamaha 8 track cassette recorder and I got an alesis 3630. I ran everything through it and then mixed through it. The result..... ass. Todays modern rock sound.....ass.

    "I dont mean to sound cruel or cold about this issue, but I am... so that how it comes out."
    -bill hicks
  7. Davedog

    Davedog Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    someones in the vault diggin up old old old threads....still viable as questions but the folks that posted this in the first place are no longer here...........

    Still.....Todays Mixing/Mastering Strategy.....

    Everything is LOUDER than everything else.
  8. golli

    golli Active Member

    Apr 17, 2003
    Where did you get that from??
    Deep Purple, maybe. Made In Japan. :tu:
  9. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    so much efforts to record at high sampling frequencies, top convertes, mic pres and so and finnally your product shall end up like a bright pancake.
  10. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    "Bright pancake"!

    *jots down term for future use*
  11. UncleBob58

    UncleBob58 Active Member

    Apr 9, 2003
    Fairfield County, CT
    Home Page:

    Thanks, I thought I was the only one who caught that!


    Maybe you should use that for a band name?

    Uncle Bob

  12. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    hey guys, maybe i was thinking in portuguese for a while and should use
    " very thin half baked pancake" instead?lol
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    No NO...the "bright pancake' was perfect!
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