My songs being stolen and sold

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Makzimia, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. Makzimia

    Makzimia Well-Known Member

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    No longer care what SC does, finished with them, you know why, never EVER again!.
     
  2. audiokid

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    why?
     
  3. Makzimia

    Makzimia Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so, you've had a busy hectic life recently... I am sure I mentioned way back about my songs being stolen and sold in 100s of thousands in brazil etc and me not being able to even see that on SC or claim, when they were being sold on third party sites as ring tones etc.. SO SC can go and get F'''D.
     
  4. Kurt Foster

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    is SC really responsible for that? couldn't the same thing happen on any other site? the only protection for this kind of thing is legal copyright. save a hundred bucks, get ripped off. one of the problems with self publishing. once you put something up on a free site, you've essentially given it away.
     
  5. Makzimia

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    Their response was they said they had in place security to stop downloads but not something back end. I was told updates to security may come along. Basically, they wouldn't own it. I was paying for a pro account, and I got nothing really out of it, along with that issue, and it was hasta la vista baby.
     
  6. Kurt Foster

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    ok i understand now.

    these services all provide free access until they build market share and they have a load of users hooked. once people build a business model around a "free service" they have you on the hook. then they can charge up the yang and the only choice you have is to pay through the nose or to go out of business. all media works that way.
     
  7. dvdhawk

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    It doesn't matter if it's a free site or not, you're still mostly relying on real music fans to do the right thing - because if there's anything else you CAN rely on, it's pirates doing what pirates do. Best of luck getting any satisfaction out of overseas copyright infringement unless you're a major player.
     
  8. Makzimia

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    @dvdhawk Exactly!. I was a member of ASCAP ... also a waste of money for me!!.

    @audiokid Sorry Chris for derailing your topic.. ;-/
     
  9. Kurt Foster

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    if your songs are published by a ligit publisher, they have the resources to litigate. otherwise you're on your own. i always thought that 25% of something was worth more than 100% of nothing.

    i have to admit i am guilty of downloading or streaming free stuff all the time. haven't bought music or a movie for years. as i write, i am downloading "Gotti" and don't feel bad about it seeing as i'm paying over $200 for internet / cable. the difference is i only do it for self viewing / listening. i never redistribute anything.
     
  10. dvdhawk

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    I'm sure none of them have legit publishers, so you should be cool.
     
  11. Kurt Foster

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    well i d load off a ligit site. Putlocker. and i also stream off of PLEX. again at 200 bucks a month for internet and cable, i'm sure someones getting paid none the less.
     
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  13. Kurt Foster

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    yeah, it really breaks my heart that Harvey Weinstein, John Travolta and the Scientologists are getting screwed :rolleyes: . it keeps me up at night. lol.
     
  14. dvdhawk

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    Who produced or starred in the content you choose to watch is irrelevant to the conversation.

    The fact is, whether you're uploading or downloading copyrighted material to or from a torrent site you've stepped from borderline "ligit" (sic) gray-market to black-market product. End of discussion. The rest is just rationalization.
     
  15. paulears

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    I think I have lost the plot - I don't understand what is going on - is the rest of the story elsewhere.

    All I can assume is music has been put on SoundCloud for people to listen to and they have stolen it? Is that right? Or is the music supposed to be private and somehow people have found it and downloaded it secretly?

    I cant' work it out?

    Me - I never put anything on Youtube, Vimeo, Soundcloud or anywhere else that is precious or something I want to sell myself. People steal things that are not secure - but if you need exposure, you have to risk it.
     
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    I believe you've caught up, Paul. You're right this discussion did start in a thread about Soundcloud mp3 quality, but soon warranted a thread of its own. Tony's post #3 in this thread is where you can jump in.

    So where can you sell music in 2018 that you feel is secure?
     
  17. paulears

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    Well - I sell quite a lot of specialist music from my own site, and let people download samples, but the full track is a time limited download. Considering the music is not remotely mass market, we do quite well out of it. Idiot customers takes a lot of time to sort - as in you can buy each track for £1.50 or the entire CD for £15, and you get people download each track ands pay for them, then they download the complete thing and complain, saying they thought the complete CD would be different? All are MP3s, and nobody has ever asked for an uncompressed one. The files are downloaded with server generated false names, so is pretty steal proof my end, although of course nothing would stop them giving the entire thing away to friends. Server costs are modest, the software to do it wasn't that expensive - and apart from time, it's simple to run.
     
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  18. dvdhawk

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    I guess I'm less interested in the server-side than I am what measures you can take to prevent them from taking their download and "sharing" on a torrent site.
     
  19. dvdhawk

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    The band I was in in the early '90s only ever sold physical product and yet we've been available for download on all manner of sites for 10-15 years. (Certainly not by our doing, or to our benefit in any way)
     
  20. paulears

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    I suspect that the people who enjoy the music are the problem. There his a feeling I get that makes me think that genuinely many people think sharing music is innocent, useful, friendly and even beneficial to the actual band? Could it be education, or just ethics and morals being lower in some groups. I know the US have never got the hang of our class structure, which we now pretend doesn't exist, but sharing music is an activity carried out by one of our classes - properly now named socio-economic groups. We had these classes
    Upper Class - the 'posh' people, these people still exist, and pretty much don't source anything themselves, they have other people to do that for them.
    Middle Class - people with money, usually well educated, and envious of the Upper class, which is a club they can never enter
    Working Class - the people who get up, go to work, and do this until they retire
    We now have a new under class - the people who have never worked, neither have their parents or grandparents. They survive on state benefits, work the system, have low ethics and few morals. These people treat everything as theirs - they have technology, but won't pay for it, they use it because their lives are empty, and are only interested in themselves - never giving anything back.

    While all class groups might 'steal' the occasional music product, chances are that if they like it, they just click on iTunes and buy it - even if a friend has it, simply because the money doesn't matter, and immediacy is the expectation.

    Rant over - the suck society will take what they want without a qualm, and be amazed the poor musician gets cross!
     
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