New Song Rock - Trickle Down mix/critique

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  1. packrobottom

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    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    Lots of clipping. A version without whatever is making it so hot would be easier to evaluate for mix issues.
     
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    Still clipping but not as much. Overall real good mix, but the snare seems to pop out in the HF compared to the rest of the tracks.
     
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    thx lowered snare considerably.
     
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    Snare sounds "thinner" on the real drum track version, doesn't seem to have the same upper-mid "pop" that the sampled drums version does. Maybe add a little ( a db or so) off the cuff I'm guessing around 800 - 1k, and, I'd also consider adding a little ( try a db at a time) around the 225-250Hz region to add more "beef" to it. Right now it sounds kinda "papery" and lacking both the "weight" of the low mids as well as the upper-mid energy "drive" that I think it needs to support the overall energy of the song.

    On the drums... are you using independent GR on a track-level basis, or on a 2-bus? If bused, what are the GR settings, and is it inserted pre or post EQ? And if independently, what settings are you using on the snare track ( attack, ratio, release)?
    I'm asking because the drums in general - but particularly with the back beat (snare) - seem to kind of get lost during the more powerful sections; when the guitars and synths come in, they seem to be forcing the drums back... most obviously the snare.

    As a side note, and purely from a production POV, I'm not crazy about the extreme hard panning on the rhythm guitar, although I do like the modulation effect you're using on it later in the song. I just wish it was more centered - I'm not suggesting that it needs to be at 12 o'clock détente, but having it panned as hard as it is now is kinda distracting - this is just my own opinion, of course... ask ten other guys and you're likely to get 9 other opinions that disagree with my own.

    I can hear this as a quirky, fun, upbeat track in a movie.
     
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    Thx Donnie for the advice looking into the snare
     
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    You do realize that this was just my opinion, right? If you aren't hearing what I mentioned, or, if it doesn't bother you, then don't change anything.

    Mixing is a very subjective thing; if we were to ask five other cats here, we might get input that is quite opposite to my own. I'm just mentioning to you what I hear, and what I might do if I were mixing.

    That's hardly an opinion worth carving into stone. ;)
     
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    I know Donnie but you've been right in the past :)
     
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    New drums are way better (more natural) !
     
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    thx pc I agree
     
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    Isn't that a different song?
     
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    The clipping is less severe. New drums are better, I think. I've started to forget the old drums.

    Something is odd and a little harsh in the vocal, especially around 6k-ish. Also, I would de-ess them.

    There doesn't seem to be much in the top end besides vocal sibilance and cymbals. I'm not sure that needs to be changed but it's something I hear. At least it lets the vocal come through.
     

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