noise micing quiet acoustic gtr

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by osmuir, Jan 13, 2002.

  1. osmuir

    osmuir Active Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    ok. doing a singer-songwriter thing. she plays quiet.

    mic collection:

    soundelux U95s
    2x km184
    2x earthworks TC 30k
    royer SF-12 [with custom transformer made for me and my mic pre by greg, the designer of...].
    mic pre: pendulum mdp-1

    into rosetta a/d.

    i like to track hot...

    what to do?

    do i just need to suck it up and get a new mike [i'm thinking tlm 103...]?

    what to do...i'm getting a noise floor of around -50 DBfs.

  2. atticus

    atticus Guest

    The TLM 103 is a good, solid, quiet mic and would work well in that application. When I'm recording quiet sounds I generally use either a THE TT-3m or a Blue Baby Bottle into an Avalon 2022. But that's just me.
  3. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Use a high pass filter, with the frequency set as high up as doesn't effect the low fundamentals too much, using 80Hz as your starting point. TC-30K has issues with self noise, and ribbons, because of low output, can accentuate ambient noise pickup because of all the preamp gain applied. For low noise, I'm guessing the Soundelux is your best bet, as large diaphragm condensors tend to have better noise specs than small diaphragm condensors, though it might not be the sound you want on the given track. If it's still a no go, do the arrangement so that there's some lo-fi, funky track or pad that serves to mask some noise. 12 bit drum samples can hide more sins in audio than black pepper and ketchup can hide in cooking.

  4. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member

    Feb 17, 2001
    Tampa Bay, FL
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    Get a Millennia Media or Great River; crank the hell out of the pre and maybe run it through a RNC. This will give you little detectable noise...but be careful if she does anything significantly louder than what you expect (like dropping a pin :D ) because it will either squash it or cause your multitrack to peak. The Soundelux and Neumann's aren't what I would consider noisy when coupled with a high head room low noise pre. As a starting point (or if you are working quickly due to time restraints), I would put the U95s on voxs in Omni, and place the KM184 about 8"-9" from the 12th fret at a 45 degree angle facing the soundhole...but of course experiment if time allows. Don't forget to flip the phase switch to see what sounds more full. I've used a similar setup with a few quietish singer acoustic players (U47 w/KM84 though)...and I'm guessing the U95s and KM184 measure better on noise specs. I haven't measured it, but I hear very little or no detectable noise at all. Good Luck.
  5. osmuir

    osmuir Active Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    anyone else having this kinda prob w/the pendulum? it works fine on the km184, it just seems there is way more noise on the ribbon, even given comprable gain levels.

    the soundelux, i have found, has alot more noise on this quiet material that i expected. but does it being a tube mic through tube pre have anything to do with it?

    could it be that my mic is fuktup? should i call david bock about it? it just seems to have way lower output than i expected it to have. less than the km184, for sure.

    messing with my head...

    keep them coming....
  6. freundlich

    freundlich Guest

    If the 184's fine - what bothers you? did you try two of them for the guitar ( XY) or just one? another trick that worked for me (albeit with much cheaper mics and pre) is to track one small diaphragm condenser (AT-4041) together with the guitar pickup and pan the two tracks apart.
  7. waitgoiter

    waitgoiter Guest

    Are you sure the "noise" at -50 is self-noise or buzz or whatever? If you've got the gain cranked for a quiet acoustic, couldn't that be the fridge or something? :confused:
  8. Masternfool

    Masternfool Active Member

    Dec 3, 2001
    Careful if you go with the 103, I have 2 and they pick up a lot of rumble..use the low end rolloff on your console.Other than that they are quiet.
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