Norton for system maintenence

Discussion in 'Computing' started by valkyrie, Jan 22, 2003.

  1. valkyrie

    valkyrie Guest

    thanx for the reply - i'm bringing my system into class for a clean install within a week.

    just curious - why don'tcha like Norton for system maintenence. one of the better local studios here's been using it for five years.

    namaste, valkyrie
  2. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Norton is nice but DON'T install it!! Run it off of the CD. Norton is one of the most important tools for a Mac user as there is always the chance of system files being corrupted or needing fixing.
    You should get Nortons and Tech Tools..or think about Disk Warrior as most people using Mac's really like that program.
    A freash install of the Mac is always the best way to go when you get it second hand from's best to install it and configure it for you.

    P.S...welcome to RO :c:
  3. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Sep 10, 2000
    OMG I hate saying this ... gulp ... but I disagree with OPUS on this one. Here's why...
    Mac OS 9.2.2 is SIMPLE and complete. IMO, you don't need anything but the included tools to keep it running and maintained. There's a simple way to 100% guarantee that "if anything goes wrong" with your software, it can be quickly and easily fixed, provided that you set yourself up for it, from scratch.
    First,if you have things on your harddrive that you want to save, back them up to a CD or a different harddrive. Once you have everything backed-up, or if you're starting with a new Mac, erase the entire disk, including any and all existing partitions.
    Now you must decide if you want or need to partition the drive. Here is my GENERAL thought on partitioning ...
    If your harddrive is 15Gb or more, create a primary partition of 10Gb for your OS and apps. This will keep the data that runs your system from being too scattered, which equates to greater efficiency, speed, and stability. Some people recommend that this partition be even smaller, or as small as possible. If you're sure you'll never need more than 5Gb for your OS and apps, GREAT, make the primary partition 5Gb! My 10Gb figure is a general figure to give more than enough room for most peoples' needs and future needs, without getting too large. The larger your harddrive is, the smarter it is to have this small primary partition.
    There are a LOT of reasons for wanting and/or needing to create more than two partitions, too numerous to list. So let's get on with it...
    Once your harddrive is formatted and partitioned, of course, you install the operating system. If you have an older CD version of the OS, you will need to get the updates from the Apple site. And here's where IT starts...
    Rather than use the auto-update feature, go to the Apple site and download them yourself, individually. "WHY?", you ask. Because you are going to save the compressed files! This way, you'll never have to download them again, and they'll be at your beckoned-call any time you need them, with completed installation being only minutes away!
    "Ahhh, Grasshopper! Is this starting to make sense now?"
    Anything else that you must download, save the compressed files! DO NOT INSTALL THEM AND THEN THROW THEM AWAY!
    Now, make a folder on your desktop labeled "My Saves". Stick all of the other stuff that you never want to lose in it, such as fonts, soundsets, icons, wallpapers, favorites, preferences, ... whatever.
    A) Stick all of the compressed files and your "MySaves" in a folder labeled "SAVE".
    B) BURN THE "SAVE" FOLDER TO CD! If it is too large to burn to one CD, then divide "SAVE" into sub-folders, labeled "SAVEONE", "SAVETWO", and so-on.
    C) If you've created more than one partition on your harddrive, copy "SAVE" to one (or more) of the other partitions. This way that entire file is handy without even having to dig-out the CD(s), and serves as a duplicated back-up.
    D) If your primary harddrive has only one partition, then just stick "SAVE" in your "C" drive. If this is the case, and you have more than one harddrive, then stick "SAVE" on one of the other harddrives as well.
    Long to explain, but simple to do.
    After everything is initially installed, remember that anytime you download a new app, you must then add it's compressed file to your multiple "SAVE"s. Really not a big deal. Everytime you spend a few minutes to "SAVE" them, you have the satisfaction of knowing you'll never have to take the time to find and download that file again! It's a MAJOR convenience and timesaver!
    Anytime there is an update on an app, make sure you replace it's predecessor in your "SAVES".
    So, what has this done for you?
    First, if you chose to create your small primary partition, it's made your system less likely to crash.
    Second, if something does go wrong, either with the OS or an app, you can delete whatever went haywire and totally reinstall the fresh, up-to-date version within minutes, including the preferences if you saved them!
    If you ever want to do a total fresh install, for instance if you want to repartition your drive, just think of how fast it can be done!
    There are many other reasons for having this sort of a backup plan, too. You'll see the beauty of it once you've used this system for a while.
    So, there you have it. I made the bold statement before, about not needing third party fix-r-uppers, and I decided to take the time (A couple of hours) to explain myself and hopefully enlighten some of you to "a better mousetrap".
    If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

  4. M Brane

    M Brane Guest

    First of all, don't discount the opinions of Opus and SOS. These guys probably have more combined computer experience than I have years on the planet.

    Actually they are both right. ;)

    If you backup your system religously, and save everything you need as soon as you get it, you won't need to have any 3rd party utilities. Actually this is the best way.

    There are two kinds of computer users: those who have suffered a data loss, and those who will.

    The first group contains everyone from the second. ;)

    That said, this is the real world. We all get preoccupied and behind in our schedules (if we have a life) so we need a backup plan for our backup plan.

    DiskWarrior is a major ass saver. Directory corruption can really ruin your day (or week) and DW is the best. It has saved disks that Norton couldn't even see, let alone repair.

    Tech Tool Pro does what Norton used to do i.e. repair system problems, de-frag, zap PRAM, rebuild the desktop, etc.

    While you can do some of this with keyboard commands or DFA, I find that TTP is more robust. It's solved problems for me that Apple's utilities couldn't.

    As for Norton, well, it was OK once. Version 5 was when I began to suspect something was not right. Version 6 hosed me a couple times before I caught on (BTW I never installed it, always ran it from the disk). Once I stopped using it things have been much better, and I don't seem to have so many of those "bundle bit errors" anymore.


    Yeah, OS9 audio has it's quirks, but they are known quirks and I've always thought it better to let the hardcore blaze the trail before I choose a path. This is just a hobby for me.

  5. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Sep 10, 2000
    Yep, data loss sucks. I've learned some hard lessons about backing up my work. It can be VERY costly, very time-consuming, and sometimes irreplaceable, especially when it comes to audio.
    That's why it's important to take good care of your computer's health. Take the time to do things the right way. Be meticulous with your file housekeeping. Speaking of housekeeping, keep your computer clean, inside and out. Check your cabling periodically, and replace them right away if need-be. Take good care of your CDs! Put them away, don't leave them lying around, out of their cases. These are all contributing factors to the overall success of your computer-based work. The time spent on proper maintenance and organization is only a fraction of the time you will spend without it.

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