Please Help Me Check Monitors

Discussion in 'Monitoring' started by DonnyThompson, Jan 9, 2015.

  1. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Well-Known Member

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    This is an OTB mix, ( 2 DAW workflow) but instead of using my go-to Monitor One's, this time I used Tannoy Reveals 6.0 (passives) as reference NF's, to test them out and see how they translate to other systems. (Power Amp is a Hafler Trans-Nova 1500).

    I've had them for quite sometime, just began using them about 4 days ago... I'd like to hear comments using the song below as a reference mix. Lead Vocals and Keys are performed by my friend Terry, backing vox and all other instruments are me. Drums are Superior Drummer.


    View: https://soundcloud.com/donnythompson/compassion-samp-mix-jan-9-14-full-render


    I uploaded this as a 44/24 .wav file, not an MP3...( although, what I don't know is, if even as a wave file, SC might still be adding some kind of file compression).

    Sound Cloud has been adding some weird EQ and phasing artifacts, intermittently, with my recent uploads lately, when I use MP3's, even at higher res rates of 250 and 320.

    Hopefully this .wav will be okay. So far, it sounds like the .wav file, "pre-upload".

    Anyway, if you can let me know how this mix sounds on your monitors, I'd appreciate it.
    (low-end heavy/shy, mids and hi's as harsh/smooth, etc.)

    And, FWIW, I don't care if you are using expensive monitors or cheap computer speakers - all are welcome to comment.

    Looking for more of a reference critique than a mix critique, but also understand that these can go hand in hand... so feel free to advise in any way you feel might be helpful.

    I need to know if I should be keeping these around as another accurate reference source, or if they are skewing the sonics to where I should dump them.

    Thanks :)

    d.
     
  2. DonnyThompson

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    Is anyone else hearing a quick "bump" right at the top of the track? Or is this just me? There is no artifact like this on the original .wav file.
     
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    Mix using Monitor Ones (passives)


    View: https://soundcloud.com/donnythompson/compassion-samp-mix-m1s-jan9-15
     
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    Good morning Donny, I'll get back to you shortly :). Going to listen on the gaming PC with Harmon Kardon 2.1 system.
     
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    Ok, so, first mix so far. As a keyboardist, to me, I hear a lack of depth in a few places, too low in the mix maybe?. Great sounding, love Superior Drummer too, my go to when my drumming sucks or I can't get someone else.. MOST times. There are some over zealous bits of snare going on. While I love a good pistol crack, it's overwhelming the mix in a few spots. Terry and your vocals combined sound stellar (Doobie brothers almost). Guitar may even handle a little more boost. Overall, other than a slight swirl, which may be related to Terrys organ sound, I love it.
     
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    And, finally, monitor ones, you know I mixed on a pair of them for years. You can tell you are used to them immediately :D. I hear more depth in Terrys piano instantly, vocals etc too, more clarity, separation in general, less swirl :D.

    My .02 for what it's worth.

    Tony
     
  7. DonnyThompson

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    Thanks Tony.

    The "crack" on the snare was intentional, as a request from my client, who wanted something completely different than the original version (Todd Rundgren) which I'm pretty sure, was a Linn snare. It's boxy and beefy, he was looking for something not as thick.

    In short, it was intentional. I don't normally mix a snare in at that level, at that compression, with 3.5 k boosted. I thought the kick was hot too, (both of my versions) it's also a bit hotter than where I would normally put it, but I think it works for this song. Bass guitar was a Hoffner. There is no guitar in the original Todd version at all... we almost didn't put one in ourselves. In the end we decided on a Nylon for the riff and for "chinks" on the 2 and 4 during the verses to melodicize the back beat.

    Here's Rundgren's version, if you wish another reference. I don't think that ours is even close. We weren't attempting a tribute cover, we wanted to make it our own.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ICBrhQ-c0


    I'm not sure if I'm just still in the acclimation period of the Reveals, or if they really aren't up to par - or - if it's just because I've mixed one the Monitor Ones for so long now. But I've adjusted to other pairs of monitors in the past a lot quicker than I am these Tannoys. But I also think the 2nd mix is better as well.

    Thanks for listening and commenting, I really appreciate it. ;)
     

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