Possible drum tracking idea?

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  1. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

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    Signal Chain:

    2 Overheads (Cheap Nady's) into preamps of cheap Behr*(&(*& mixer, mixed as the main signal.

    1 Kick Mic (Cheap Nady) into DBX pre-amp (heavy compression) into line input of Behr(*&$ mixer, mixed to taste.

    1 Room Mic ( AT2020) into DBX pre-amp (moderate compression to taste) into line input of Behr@#@^% mixer, mixed to taste.



    Pan overheads hard left/right, and room mic and kick mic center.
    I only have 2 inputs from my AD into my DAW.



    In the box:

    Track 1 - Drums Left (mono) - roll off everything below 200ish.
    Track 2 - Drums Right (mono) - roll off everything below 200ish.
    Track 3 - Drums Stereo (summed to mono) - roll off everything above 150ish.
    (would definitely play with those EQ settings)

    The goal is to get a stereo spread of the drums, with individual kick control. I would use the room mic to help thicken up the overheads, using the parellel compressed room mic, while the summed stereo to mono EQed kick track giving me a kick track.

    Any thoughts about this setup? Obviously I know my ears are boss, its the drummer and the drums, but also just wanted to run this idea by you guys for any input, advice, or potential pitfalls before I try it.

    In a previous thread I got a great response from I believe Davedog saying to add the room mic, but sum all of the overs and room to one track and the kick to a separate track. I got a nice clear and strong signal from all sources, but I miss the natural stereo spread.

    Thank you for any anticipated help! On a side note, working with this minimal gear is restrictive at times, but has also forced me to think "outside the box" (get it?) Necessity certainly is the mother of invention!


    - Mike

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  2. natural

    natural Active Member

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    After reading this a couple of times, I think you intend to record to tracks 1 and 2, then make a mono copy to track 3 is that correct?
    That could possibly get you a little more control of the kick drum and still have a little stereo. It's not going to be great, but it's at least something.
    Post an example when you get one.
     
  3. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

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    Natural,

    That is a correct, track3 is a mono sum of both tracks, but just the low frequencies. Here is a link to the previous way I mentioned, the one where the 3 mics are mono and I have the separate kick.

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    I will post a recording of how it turns out when it gets done!
     
  4. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

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    You might want to have a look at those plugins.
    They can influence L-R-Mid signals separately..

    Brainworx | Plug-ins
    Brainworx | bx_digital V2 Tutorial
     
  5. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

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    BigK,

    Those plugins look great but pricey! $$$
     
  6. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

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    LOL.. this is pro recording forum....
    Nothing comes cheap, here.
    ;-)

    For what it can do it seems a reasonable price.
    The bundles are a bargain. Audio quality is superb.
    Maybe try the demos?
     
  7. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

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    I just found time to trying this method.... here is my first go at it....

    Drumtest by mstar on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

    what are your thought? I also put a new link at the top too.
     
  8. natural

    natural Active Member

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    Well, it is what it is.
    Pretty much what I would expect.
    It seems to have lost the drummers right side of the mix. (assuming RH drummer)
    1st 2 toms seem ok, next 2 toms get lost.

    Another Idea.
    This is the Recorderman technique:
    YouTube - Recorderman Overhead Drum Mic Technique


    - I would eliminate the room mic in favor of a close snare mic.
    - Try to get the blend of kick and snr correct going in.
    - If you need more kick or snr come mix time, make a copy of one of the channels instead of combining to mono, and try your eq.
    - Alternatively, make a copy of the stereo track, phase reversed, to mono. Not necessarily to cancel out, but you might be able to get a little extra snare or hi end control by varying the levels.
     
  9. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

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    Float drum test by mstar on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

    here is a link with some setting and mic positions tweaked a bit....
    toms seem a bit weak, but I ok with that limited setup
     

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