Preamps for drums

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  1. fibes

    fibes Active Member

    Oct 12, 2001
    new york
    I own an Allen & Heath Mixwizard (16 channel). I use this exclusively for drums. I would like to upgrade one of the preamps for the kick drum. I would first like to know what will an upgrade do for the sound? And how much do I need to spend for the upgrade to be worthwhile? Please give makes and models with prices. Thanks.
  2. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    My first recommendation is a Neve....1081 would be the absolute best...there are other Pre Amps (1073 being class A , while the 1081 series are Class A/B) where the PreAmp it self are a little fatter, but you usually (even with great mic placement) need to suck out some that's where the 1081 reccomendation comes in...Great Pre AND Great EQ with the right frequencies and shapes to get AWESOME kick sounds.
    Now that's my first and best recomendation. It's not cheap though...1081's are expensive ...a company called SHEP makes a reissue, and then of course there's the reissue that AMS/Neve is making...I think between $3K & $4K per channel (just guessing that #)

    Let's get some other recommendations, and then I'll help fill the holes (if there are any).
  3. Bob Mould

    Bob Mould Member

    Nov 29, 2001
    maybe vintechs x81(1081) or x73(1073), supposed to be very good an sells for around $2k.

  4. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Great Info Bob....didn't know that they were doing a 1081 knock-off. What with there (Vintech) approach (making it a class A rather than a Class A/B design) would make me give this a serious look. (Wish I had a couple.....)
  5. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    I could be thinking of someone else's box, but I think the x81 is like a 1073 in that it's class A and not class A/B, but it has the 1081 eq points. I think it comes down to an available parts issue that makes it harder to replicate class A/B Neve output stages.

    Remember that sometimes mixing class A with class A/B can be nice to seperate sonic territory.

  6. wiggy

    wiggy Guest

    Ditto... Shep RM!!

    I have a rack of 6 and use them nearly every day, and thios is in conjucntion with the Neve 8024 wher i work and they just so right evencompared tot he real 1073's that fill out the console.

    The extra EQ points atruely a godsend. They are at all the right frequencies like RM said. They are all original circuitry, switches, pots and original NOS Marinaire transformers..

    They have a stack of headroom to burn and sound so damn good i use them for most thing over the 1073's.

    but when Neves are not an option deinfately try API's... cos IMHO the API preamps have far better bottom end response for kick, snr and bass instrumnets. They are very punchy and fat, which in comparison tot he neves are more up front and agressive and driven sounding. On one of fave's is to hire ina lunchbox or a 3124 4 ch preamp rack for drums and put kick close (d112) and Kik far (FET 47) thru this and have km-84 and sm-57 taped together going throught the other 2 channels.... whata smacking combo.. then insert some shep eqs for furhter tone shaping and put ya feet up cos when it comes to mixing the tones are alreadyt here!

    ALso chekc out he CLM dynamics db8000's 8ch premap system its very good sounding on a budget and has digital outpus as well as being one the most flexible 8ch units around on the market with 32 outptus and 8 di's as well

    Pls keep us posted on your findings..

    Cos we are all gear nuts here!

  7. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Neves have, on average, 26db of headroom.
    Whereas API's have 30db of headroom....thus the better punch factor.

    Both great. It's jsut that neve's give you that "free"(meaning: no eq to get it) big bottom sound.
  8. Henchman

    Henchman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2001
    We should eb getting some ward-beck's. I'll let you know how they sound.

  9. wiggy

    wiggy Guest

    Hey Henchman...

    Ditto Ward becks... the undevalued premaps of the century.. along with Calrecs!!

    Are you getting ya Ward Becks from Dave Thomas?... cos he is MR Ward Beck and he lives locally in BC vancouver.... email me if u want his contacts....

  10. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Hmm...I agree. I own apair of Calrec1061's.

    Brent Averill explained it to me like this. In the early '70's the BBC defined standards as to EQ points/curves,ect. And Neve, Calrec and Audix then built and designed fro the BBC. They use alot of the same parts, ect. Therefore they're (Calrec, Audix) ALOT like neve's. Enough , in fact, that if you find a pair they're worth the savings of not having the Neve name attached,
  11. Henchman

    Henchman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2001
    Yes, my business partner is a good friend of dave's.

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