pro tools, cubase, sonar, ect, which one is best?

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by clay, Jun 8, 2005.

  1. clay

    clay Guest

    i was just about to buy a digidesign rack then i started thinking which program is accually the best? anyone have any input?
  2. axel

    axel Guest

    what platform do you use?? PC / MAC ?
    what do you do most?? recording? audio? midi? lot' of plugs? etc??
    do you want to stick to digi hardware?? (i wouldn't!!)

    i am a die hard MAC / LOGIC user, strong in midi and audio and for production / softsynth plugs...
    to me that's plug 'n' play
  3. clay

    clay Guest

    I am a mac user and i would prefer a tascam fw-1884 but i have heard that "protools is so much better"
  4. axel

    axel Guest

    hugh, that is a very difficult one, pro tools is for shure a good product, but in my eyes far to expensive.

    if you are on a mac i would go DP (digital performer) or Logic Pro, logic is very strong in the midi department, probably the most advanced prog in that respect and does everything audio you whish for, as well, and comes with a whole lot of plugs and synths in a reasonable quality to get you going through an entire production. (even it takes a bit to get your head around logic, but it's well worth the learning curve IMO, it's so powerfullllll..........)
    both are stable and powerfull, however.

    i don't like cubase at all, and it is not performing very well on a mac.
    sequia is great too, but PC only...

    i wouldn't spend the bucks on digi stuff, only because "everyone" is using it.

    but that's just my 2two cents...

    logic... mhh... tasty

    check it out yourself, if you can. i don't know about the states, but in the UK most pro dealers have DAWs set up for testing apps. hands on...
  5. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    South Florida
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    ProTools is just that...Pro Tools. The majority of "professional" recording studios use it.

    The FW-1884 is just a tool to be used with a DAW like Cubase, ProTools, Logic etc.

    The best advice I can give is to find a DAW that does what you need.
  6. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    I use the 002r and I love it. I've used cubase and hated it. Axel you say pro tools is so expensive, clay is speaking of the 002r and last time I checked a 002r comes with software for about 1500 for the factory bundle, Logic is a grand all by itself plus you'll need an interface which could be anywhere from 300 to 1000 dollars itself. There are a few drawbacks to pro tools le but its not much more expensive than other software/interface combos and saying you wouldn't use it because "everyone else" uses it, that just doesn't make sense.
  7. gumplunger

    gumplunger Active Member

    Mar 25, 2005
    I have a 002r and wish I bought a RME Fireface. Got sick of Pro Tools LE's track limit really quick. On the upside, I can always say i have a pro tools rig. =/
  8. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    Protools(The REAL PT) SHOULD be better! If you can afford it, get it and be done with it.

    For the rest of us, Logic is often used with Mac, Nuendo is worth a careful lookhear - far as software that works with "other" interfaces than PT's. Digital performer is also often used and includes some cutting-edge features(Forget which, but I've read about them - better surround? Something...) others don't.

    With any of this stuff, documentation(HELP!) along with tech support are likely as or more important than the software/interface itself. Look over the available "forums", etc., to try to see whose is best...

    For me, Lynx has been great as has WaveLab... Both Co's tech support(Forums, etc.) are operated by the designers/ developers themselves - in person, as it were - not "someone" who just answers the phone or email(Or not?)... ALL by itself, worth a ton of money to me.

  9. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    The one that is "better" is the one that best suits your needs, and that you are most comfortable working on. Simple as that!
  10. axel

    axel Guest

    johnnyc wrote:
    no missunderstanding here, i have said that this is not an argument to use it, as many people not talk about it's actuall quality, more about everyone uses it... and to me many 'users' don't make AUTOMATICALLY a good product, and yes logic is expensive, but unbeliveable powerfull as well... and pro tools ain't bad, but i would go rather for logic, dp on a mac or sequia on a pc...
  11. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    Didn't mean to be an ass, I just think if a program is gonna be slammed it should be slammed by former users or at least people that have sat in front of a pt rig and worked with it. ptle is limited and in some cases extrememly limited compared to other softwares. However for me its extrememly easy to use and gets me exaclty where I need to be. IMO if you're a person that doesn't use softsynths and doesn't need more than 30 tracks then pro tools is great.
  12. axel

    axel Guest

    no argue about that :D , i have used pro tools and most of other audio software outthere...

    and yupp PT is fine, just have expressed my opinion, and i like other software more, for reasons, lot of people in this forum are upset with me because i slag off steinberg stuff (god i hate it!!!) because the engine sounds $*^t!, i was just proved once more... i worked on an electronic music festival here in Bratislava called wilsonic, most artists where running powerbooks with either ableton, logic or traktor... two of the nearly 100 artists used PC laptops with cubase, oh god it sounded awfull, all muddy and dull, is that a coincidence that those two are rubish producers?? i don't think so... it was a oversized good set up EAW pa and all of them used either M-audio 410s or motu 828s so i can't be the soundcard either... cubase just sounds $*^t, the better the monitors or pa goes the more you hear it!!!

    coincidence?? two use cubase, and those two sounded awfull over the pa and all the rest not?????????????????????????????????????
    with the same soundcards?????????????????????????????????????
  13. 0db

    0db Active Member

    Feb 19, 2005
    I use protools with a discontinued input rack (DIGI 001) and works fine, performance is good, software gives you the ability to took your project to another studio with ease, major software brands does RTAS pug-ins for protools, RTAS plugins (for me) sounds better than VST or DirectX plugins. But in the MIDI area, and this one is a general comment of those who come into the studio and looks for another software like Sonar, Cubase or that protools is not as friendly and complete in the MIDI area than the, again, is up to you decide wich working enviroment is better or ideal for you. And i have to agree with the value side of protools...for 1500$ a bundled Audio interface that is good enough, with decent preamps for starters, MIDI interface, Protools LE software and some plugins, it´s a very reasonable deal.
  14. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    Near Clagary
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    I run Cubase on a brand new, out of the box, 3GHz PC with a gig of RAM. No internet, no office crap, just speed. It's all so fresh the guy at the music shop took it out of the shipping box to install the software for me.

    Anyway, my sessions are usually about 4 hours long. Almost every time I use it, I hear that telltale BONK and the message comes up that: "...blah blah blah...serious problem has occurred...blah blah blah...need to shut down and restart...blah blah blah...hope you weren't doing anything IMPORTANT!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: This is truly retarded.

    I don't know whether it's the PC to blame, Windoze, or Cubase, but either way it sucks out loud and I wish I had made some different decisions.

    If I had that road to travel again I'd buy the most stable machine I could, (and yes it would have a picture of a fruit on it)and I would not even ask questions about track counts, or compatibility with other studios, or the learning curve. I would ask "Is this thing so frigging stable that I can drive over it with a Sherman tank and it will still perform every single time without crashing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

    I think you're doing well to ask this question, Maybe some here can speak to stability of different systems, as I think it's an often overlooked aspect.


    Sorry gents, just venting a little...and now back to our program.

  15. Oblivion

    Oblivion Guest

    Its like whats better blondes or brunettes... it depends on taste, flavour.

    I run a 002 and quite like protools but as everyone else has said the tracking limit is a frustration... I also find that protools sucks down more juice than other apps .... so you really need a powerful/optimised comp. If you dont have this you will be reduced to mostly destructive editing.... which in my opionion is painful.

    I quite like cubase....... although I have found the interface can get messy the R/A functions can sometimes get messy as well. The sound is not quite as good as the tools

    didnt much like logic when i tried it!!
  16. swanmusic

    swanmusic Guest

    Cubase SX's sound is phenomenal. In fact the recordings done on Cubase sound better and that's weird. Having a Protools rig means nothing these days!!

    Also, the worst drawback of Protools is that it doesn't support VST. You can't buy a software which doesn't support VST at this age of time.

    But anyway, it's all dependent on what you feel confortable working with and what your requirements are.
  17. TornadoTed

    TornadoTed Guest

    Use whatever works best for you. I know a lot of people slate Cubase but I've got SX3 and I love it. It runs 100% rock steady with NO crashes in the last couple of months since the last software revision was released. It is so subjective it's impossible to give a definitive answer.
  18. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Active Member

    Mar 26, 2005
    If the box you pulled it out of said Dell or any other PC mfg and you didn't make the appropriate tweaks for audio performance you probably will have issues. A stock OS install appropriate for a desktop will cause major headaches if you try to install Cubase or any other Pro Audio app on it and go. Did you review the hardware for compatability with the app? That can be a real headache too. Pro audio software isn't MS Office. The OS needs configured for the application. The App needs to be configured for how you use it as well. Midi / Soft Synth / Audio.

    You probably know all of this and I don't mean to sound condescending. All audio apps have issues including the mighty protools. I just get very frustrated by constantly hearing how awful Cubase is when I use it everyday problem free and from experience knbow that in many cases the people complaining haven't done the most basic configurations to fine tune the system for pro audio. So far I am 3 for 3 in fixing friends installations just using the guidelines here and in the cubase manual for configuring the system.
  19. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Active Member

    Mar 26, 2005
    See, I think thats a slippery slope. Early on it was clearly and by far the best out there so people bought. As its reputation grew it was still top shelf but people were beginning to buy it simply because it was compatable and "the standard" with absolutely no regard to other products or what it could or couldn't actually do for them. Now years later the legend is born and people hold it up as the holy grail. I'm not saying it isn't a good tool, it is. But, I really don't believe it to be the be all and end all of audio apps like it used to be and continues to be a force because of name recognition as much as functionality. There are other tools out there just as capable that go unnoticed or are actively snubbed because they aren't "the industry standard"
  20. mrbwnstn

    mrbwnstn Guest

    I'm new to a DAW (I used a Roland vs1680 for about 6 years) and I first went with Pro Tools LE 6.7 on a brand spanking new custom built PC, exactly to Pro Tools specs, and I had nothing but problems. It was bug after bug after bug. I had it for about 3 weeks and took the unit back to Guitar Center to get a refund. (here is a link to another post I made a few months ago with my whole Pro Tools story: (Dead Link Removed) )

    I then went with Cubase SX3, because I heard a few people on this site talk highly of it. I have LOVED it ever since! Very powerful unit, with a lot of routing and mixing capabilities. It's got a slight learning curve (at least for me) but it is running strong for me. Plus it's compatable with different interfaces, VST FX, etc. Pro Tools is not compatable at all. Their gear, their software, their FX, limited tracks.... blech.
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