Professionalism - what is it?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by basilbowman, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. basilbowman

    basilbowman Guest

    So, I'm in the middle of a job from hell, FOH at a local college campus, in a musical theatre setting, so I've got the band and stage and lead singers to worry about, but I've also got all of the soundcues (fx and suchlike) that I'm having to sync up with the show, and it's been a bloody nightmare - not because of anything that's going on there, but because of the kids I'm working with. Half the time they're on the headsets chatting about partying and cracking jokes, and then other half they're enforcing arbitrary "Theatre rules" on whoever they can find that hasn't kowtowed to them recently.
    On one hand I'm tempted to say something, but I honestly don't think a.) they'd listen to me, and b.) it's worth it, I mean, I'm moving on in a week, and someone somewhere along the line with more pull then the "rent-a-button-pusher" will beat it into them.
    However, all this did get me to thinking about my definition of professionalism, and how it relates to me, and I got to wondering about your'all's (is that a word anywhere other than the south? :D ) definition of professionalism. I've heard the horror stories, and how you handled them, I can tell the difference between a pro and a someone who isn't - at all - but what is it that you can point to and say "Bam! That guy's good, and worth his money"?

  2. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Distinguished Member

    Dec 12, 2001
    Oberlin, OH
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    The true meaning of professional is "one who gets paid for their knowledge or skills"

    I think you maybe looking for something more like this

    "A professional is one who by his skills and knowledge earns his living." It also means someone who is skillful in using the tools and or his/her knowledge to creates something tangible out of what he is given to work with.

    There are lots more and Wikipedia says this
  3. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    South Florida
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    There are professionals and there is professionalism.

    A professional is a person who knows what they are doing. Professionalism is expressed in how that person does what they do.

    A pro does not always exhibit professionalism and an non-pro can do things in a very professional manner. Professionalism is not something only relegated to pros.

    I think most people refer to professionalism when describing how well a person handles a bad situation. If they are prepared for adverse conditions, handle any problems that come up well and get the problem solved in a calm manner they are generally thought to have acted with a large degree of professionalism. However, if they aren't prepared for the worst, out of control, run around screaming at people, doing everything last minute, they may be considered as having a low degree of professionalism.
  4. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Professionals are people who tell children or those that act like children, to keep the chatter down on the "PL" (Private Line) intercom, during a show. That's generally what directors are for and why they are an integral part of any production. Somebody has to be in command. Perhaps it's you the audio person. And I'm sorry to say this, sometimes you have to get downright nasty in these kinds of situations. Not everybody has been raised with proper manners or etiquette such as yourself. That makes your job so much more difficult. And if your job requires proper giving or receiving of cues I would take the position of director, even if the didn't make me very popular. I've had to direct many varieties shows for video. Nobody should have their intercom microphones on if they are not giving directions. If they are you need to instruct them to turn their microphones off! This kind of unprofessional behavior is not tolerated in professional television productions of any kind. If you are the director & you have a good sense of humor, you can not only do your job well, you can be equally entertaining in the process. In one particular musical production I used to do in Chicago once a year, we had a number of old folks falling asleep in the audience. So I would instruct certain camera guys to "go for the geezer". This turned a lovely musical video production into something just shy of a great comedy show. Everybody loved the outcome and it was very popular. Still talked about today, seven years later.

    Becoming a geezer myself
    Ms. Remy Ann David
  5. Immage

    Immage Guest

    I completely agree! I have seen my share of "professionals" acting like children, as well as non-professionals acting very professionally.
  6. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Dec 18, 2008
    Western Pennsylvania, USA
    I think what separates the true professional from the look-alikes is, when things don't go as originally planned. The level of professionalism will show in who was prepared for the unexpected and can take it in stride without breaking a sweat. Just about anybody can handle a gig that goes off without a hitch.

    All together now, the boy scout creed - be prepared. :cool:
  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    Blacksburg, VA

    I am guessing that a big part of your present problem is that you are dealing with volunteers. They are doing this for recreation and treat it as such. I've had far too many experiences with this. No businessman ever lied, cheated, or stole like someone running a not-for-profit. Well, they probably did, but they weren't as self-righteous about it.

    Of course, it's possible that these kids would have no idea how to act even if they were on a job. That might be the case back here in the states, but are you still in Berlin? When I was there (and everywhere else I went in Germany) people in just about any job seemed to adopt a very "professional" manner. That's what prompted my guess above.
  8. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    North Vancouver
    According to the professional Engineers of BC:

    Members and licensees shall act at all times with fairness, courtesy and good faith to their associates, employers, employees and clients, and with fidelity to the public needs. They shall uphold the values of truth, honesty and trustworthiness and safeguard human life and welfare and the environment. In keeping with these basic tenets, professional members and licensees shall:

    (1) hold paramount the safety, health and welfare of the public, the protection of the environment and promote health and safety within the workplace;

    (2) undertake and accept responsibility for professional assignments only when qualified by training or experience;

    (3) provide an opinion on a professional subject only when it is founded upon adequate knowledge and honest conviction;

    (4) act as faithful agents of their clients or employers, maintain confidentiality and avoid a conflict of interest but, where such conflict arises, fully disclose the circumstances without delay to the employer or client;

    (5) uphold the principle of appropriate and adequate compensation for the performance of engineering and geoscience work;

    (6) keep themselves informed in order to maintain their competence, strive to advance the body of knowledge within which they practice and provide opportunities for the professional development of their associates;

    (7) conduct themselves with fairness, courtesy and good faith towards clients, colleagues and others, give credit where it is due and accept, as well as give, honest and fair professional comment;

    (8) present clearly to employers and clients the possible consequences if professional decisions or judgments are overruled or disregarded;

    (9) report to their association or other appropriate agencies any hazardous, illegal or unethical professional decisions or practices by members, licensees or others; and

    (10) extend public knowledge and appreciation of engineering and geoscience and protect the profession from misrepresentation and misunderstanding.
  9. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Scotland, UK
    *Self Reflection Assessment*
    You are 40% professional.
    Not the coolest head under pressure and lacking knowledge of the subject matter, but a well-meaning guy.
  10. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    North Vancouver

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