$ ProTools HD vs. MOTU $

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by DnPrn7, Oct 3, 2002.

  1. DnPrn7

    DnPrn7 Guest

    I want to know if ProTools is really worth that much more money than one of the newer 96kHz MOTU models like a 1286 based setup?
  2. Greg Malcangi

    Greg Malcangi Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    It depends on what you want to use it for. There are a number of systems out there that can produce comparable results to PT. The advantage of PT is it's speed, reliability and flexibility within a professional environment. My business for example is very time critical and PT is easily worth the extra to me. If you've got plenty of time to play around, the odd crash is not a serious problem and you don't have commercial clients expecting to see PT, then the advantages of PT over other DAW setups are greatly lessened and it may well be worth you looking at alternatives.
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

    Mar 20, 2000
    BC, Canada
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    Greg, cool to see you back, I seem to have lost your email? Your PT forum in DAWworld merged into this one. I was hoping to get your okayfor making you a Mod here? Please email me.

    Sorry to bud in, please carry on. :c:
  4. Well said Greg

  5. me0049

    me0049 Guest

    I have been doing research on much the same sort of question. I think it would be wise to look at what professionals are using to produce hit records and movie sound tracks. At the pro end of the market money is a secondary consideration to results. from my research I have found:

    Pro Tools on Mac dominates. They have a certified, proven solution. There are no questions about motherboards, compatibility etc. You can record on a Pro Tools studio at home and take it into just about any major studio in the world and your project will work on their systems. No fuss, professional results.

    The time invested in learning Pro Tools will be useable in many studio jobs, if your career goes that way.

    The next most popular system at the professional end is Logic Audio, Mac and MOTU. The MIDI editing is better but you don't have the huge amount of DSP power Pro Tools has. (This could be supplimented by a TC Powercore card.)

    I have a system based on a Pentium 4 PC with 2 17" monitors, Cubase SX, TC Powercore, Soundcraft Spirit Digital 328 mixer, Unitor 8, JV1080, Yamaha A4000, Mackie Monitors and some outboard.

    I have used Cubase since version 1.03. I tried Logic Audio and didn't like it much then Apple dropped PC support - VERY DARK ON APPLE. I really like the way Cubase does MIDI and have many years of knowledge invested in the product. Moving to SX has not been too stressful.

    With the Powercore card I get some of the DSP power of Pro Tools but the new HD cards are very powerful.

    I have also had many computer, OS, driver, software related problems. The Cubase, PC, TC Powercore solution is effective and powerful. It is good technology and it works well. But if you don't have computer skills you could find it a hard road.

    Pro Tools offers a guaranteed 'turn key' solution that will work out of the box allowing you to get on the job not screwing around with computers.

    The Mac, Logic Audio, MOTU, solution is almost single supplier too (check out if Apple certifies MOTU interfaces as supported).

    The big difference between the above 2 solutions is the DSP power of Pro Tools. Their DSP cards are powerful.

    I have been very impressed with the TC Powercore card. It will be interesting to see how much 3rd party support they get.
  6. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2003
    Kirkland WA
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    If you are a business PT is a client magnent.

    If you have PT TDM knowledge, there are jobs out there.

    My wife is a Microsoft employee, and I've been networking to get a job at Microsoft Studios.

    Strange but true, they have several Mac-based PT HD systems.
  7. robb007

    robb007 Member

    Feb 27, 2003
    I have to disagree 'Logic is used on many pro recordings and quite frankly I find Cubase to be plain buggy.Being a Logic user on both Pc and Mac ,I find myself leaning on Logic for composing Audio recording more so than my pro tool set up,We run a p4 with 3 Hammerfall audio converters and 1Frontier design Dakota light pipe card 16/16 and 1 montana light pipe card 16/16 and a Universal audio card Going digitaly into a Yamaha O2r and Logic controller .With Logic you get a fantastic on board sampler ,A Rhoades emulator piano,Hammond ,I find it anything but dark and quite frankly I think it is the future for Audio ,I mean When Mac buys Logic . Tell me what operating system and computer does Pro tools run on?Mac thats right ,but I think Mac will be concentrating in the future on making Logic the number one Recording tool for audio .My suggestion is take the dive you won't regret it !
  8. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2003
    Kirkland WA
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    Have to agree about Logic being better for composition. With the integrated soft-synths it can be a standalone workstation.

    Also the ability of apps like Sonar, DP3, and Logic Platinum to support TDM hardware, make it easy to work on a native system, and transfer your work to a TDM system.
  9. lowdbrent

    lowdbrent Guest

    One thing that is for sure. When you buy Digi PT HD, you have no hardware or software compatability issues. You know the plug ins are of some quality, because they have to work with Digi on the TDM platform, and the system is stable.

    Leon Russell had a large MOTU system. It had so many issues that he hired a MOTU engineer to come manage the system at his studio full time, and eventually he and the system were replaced with PT.

    It is a matter of what you want/need and what you can afford. Can the MOTU hardware sound good? Yes, if it is properly clocked. Can it sound as good as an HD rig? Don't know. I do know that MOTU doesn't make an I/O that is as flexible and configurable as the 192 I/O. DP is also a host based system, so processing and latency are an issue, even on a Mac.

    For me it was a matter of rentals and compatability with systems in larger studios in larger and different sectors of the industry. If you get certified by Digi, then that can help your resume.
  10. Alécio Costa - Brazil

    Alécio Costa - Brazil Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    i´m pretty satisfied with pt mix 5.11 on a G4 800 and 2 adat bridges. very reliable, sounds good.
    if i were in th USA I would buy all the mix farms available, inside my budget.

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