ProTools, is it worth the investment?

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by HenriKoenigMRU, Nov 23, 2005.

  1. Hi All

    Looking to upgrade our studio in Mauritius, and im wondering if its worth going for ProTools.

    I've worked on ProTools at college, and enjoyed the interface.

    But my question is really is it worth going for something else, which might be better 'value for money'.

    Our budget is approximatly £12Kor $18K.

    Looking forward to any comments
  2. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    Just a couple questions you need to ask yourself:

    - Will having a loaded HD system bring you the business to pay for it? (if yes, continue; if no then reconsider)
    - Do you plan on sending your raw tracks, etc out to other studios for further work/mixing (if yes, continue; if no reconsider)
    - Do you have the cash flow required to keep up with the current and constant changes in soft and hardware )if yes, continue, if no reconsider)
    - Do you LIKE the HD system? (If yes, get it, if not continue looking)

    Only you can make the decision of "is it worth it?" Right now, to me and my needs, its not....but you may have different needs.

    Better value? Impossible to determine...but there are alternatives that are being used all the time to crank out hit records....

    BTW: I fight this battle on a weekly I completely understand your position.... who knows? Next week I may have an HD2 delivered....I may not...things change.
  3. Thanks for your comments Ken.

    I guess that was kind of what i was expecting to hear.

    But it seams that the cash flow is an issue which will probabably make me go for something else.

    Where i am in Mauritius the music industry doesn't generate much cash...BLOOBY PIRATES flood the market place with pirated local music, which means that genuine sales are crashing at a serious pace, making production budgets fall in proportion.
  4. It's not worth anyway.
    For that money you can buy:
    - a far more powerful DAW, (i.e. Logic Pro)
    - a Mac
    - a cinema display 30"
    - a great ADDA interface (i.e. Apogee or Motu)
    and more.

    Don't be sucked in the Pro Tools blackhole. I was there for 8 years and now i'm free. I make more money because i'm more productive with Logic.
    There are other nice DAW out there for an honest price, like Nuendo, or Digital Performer.
    And if you really love the Pro Tools interface, don't even mean going HD, just go NATIVE (Pro Tools LE, Mbox..) , because it sounds even better than it's HD counterpart, for a fraction of the price.

    Last but not least, if you don't believe, try.

    (message for all frustrated PT users: i know you will become very angry and attack me, bash me hardly, but it's better to help honestly somebody, instead of dropping him in the same s*hit you are surfing...)
  5. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    I've been using all the programs for a very long time.

    Last night I loaded a very very old demo-song from the late 90's.
    A PT 4.0 session ... 44.1 / 16
    I loaded into an HD system on a G4/400
    We liked it and decided it may be part of the next album.
    I re-organised it and converted it to a 24 bit session. Added some midi and Reason.
    Then saved as a PC compatable and sent it to a Firewire drive.
    The Singer Song writer took the session home for more work. He uses an XP powered 001 system.

    It all works.

    I was a very heavy C-Lab notator user in the 80's and 90's.
    As such Logic was a clear choice and although I was an Atari user with both C-Lab and SoundTools (pre ProTools).
    Logic didn't ever seem to work on the Atari so the PCB and Windows was the Logic choice.

    We all know where that is now. Old Logic songs don't load into the new application.
    it is my intention to get Logic again when I upgrade the HD system to G5.

    I also have multiple Cubase versions and on both platforms(not used anymore).
    I also run Final Cut Pro.
    The list of now defunct software is very very long and that does include Digidesign Software.

    Giovanni_Speranza says that " It's not worth anyway. "

    I use many DAW's including AMS Logic 3 and an AudoFile.
    and I get most work done on ProTools in any of it's forms.

    so I will disagree
  6. Dave62

    Dave62 Guest

    Hi, I have been making records for the last 5 years with the Protools 001-002 line and although you sometimes run into the wall mixing there are always ways to get around it. I use a 002R with a Rosetta 800, a G5 dual 1.8 mac with 2 gig of ram. I monitor thru the Rosetta, use it for clock and do most of my tracking thru it, and use the 002r inputs only when I am tracking a four piece band off the floor. In mix if I run out of sytem headroom I typically bounce my 8 to 12 tracks of drums down to a stereo pair (except kick and Snare) to give me more system headroom. Far cheaper than a HD outfit, but if I can justify the upgrade someday, the Rosetta is still useful as it can hook directly to an HD sustem.
    Where I live (Regina, SK, Canada) every studio I deal with uses Protools in some form or another so moving projects back and forth is very simple.
  7. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    i havent heard one negative comment about neundo or have heard of any one disapointed/let down with this software.I dont see this changing in the near future
  8. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    i think the nuendo user interface is cluttered....

    and it sounds poorer than PT...
  9. Which PT? LE? (32bit Fp), TDM? (24 to 48 fp)
  10. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    i only compared it to HD..... using rme converters
  11. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    actually tony camillos engineer told me, he recently switched or shall i say upgraded to nuendo after having the HD system for some years. & The reason was because nuendo until now has surpassed protools in thier processing power And sound engine.
  12. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
  13. I did the same, for the same reason, Logic Pro, which utilizes the same sound architecture as Nuendo, sounds obviously better than TDM, which sounds blured to me and to many other sound engineers i know.
    Not to mention the power. For the same price you get X time the power (in real time) and unlimited power with the very fast and easy "freeze" feature.
  14. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    "Protools sounds better than Nuendo"? :shock:

    I've read a couple absolutely brilliant engineers saying the exact opposite so I doubt this is the case. Nuendo is in use by some fairly excellent talent. I've not read anything bad about it from any skilled engineers who are experienced with it and I doubt they'd be using it if it were audibly inferior.

    I've heard lots of terrible music made on ProTools and lots of great stuff made in Nuendo and vice versa. :cool:
  15. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    i know alot of brilliant engineers are saying that.... and i don't care.... alot says adam speakers sounds good :shock:

    critical listening is not a thing most engineers do at all... i wish they would.... they would find alot of differences they don't see in their everyday work......

    you say you haven't heard anything bad from a skilled engineer.... well now you have....

    and i too have heard alot of crap come out of protools...... but under critical listening i still think it sounds better....

    but at the end of the day it probably won't matter to the guy downloading your song :shock:
  16. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    No offense but I don't believe that ProTools is inherently audibly superior to Nuendo. :cool:

    What I do believe is that you are an opinionated individual with an agenda, i.e. "critical listening is not a thing most engineers do at all... " who likely moves quickly in assessing things and, while possibly skilled or even gifted as an engineer, may not be especially well suited for testing DAWs in a completely neutral manner.

    Please feel free to post links to any online resource in which any top engineer or producer says "ProTools sounds better than Nuendo" and I will be happy to revisit my position. My belief is that if ProTools did sound audibly superior to Nuendo that it would be no secret amongst professionals. :cool:
  17. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    believe what you like.....

    or if you care do listening test....

    use whatever you like.... but don't use it cause some hotshots says so in an ad....
  18. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Good point.

    I don't have the listening skills yet to identify the difference in a meaningful way but I'd definitely love to read an article where some people with skilled ears do a double blind test between tracks produced in Neundo and tracks produced in ProTools and then guesses which is which. :cool:
  19. I don't want to seem arrogant but i have golden ears, i can tell you which harmonics are in a fart, in real time (if it's long enough...).
    And i can confirm (after 8 years spent giving avay money to Digi because i needed that real time audio engine, unavailable with native systems of that time) that Pro Tools TDM sounds BLURED.
    Instead Pro Tools LE (any native version) sounds great as Nuendo and Logic.
    The problem is the crappy TDM engine.
    If you NEED a blured sound, go for TDM, i had interesting results when i needed a song sounding "behind the loudspeakers". But if you want FRONT END tracks, there is no way to acheive it with Pro Tools. Any try to put the sound in your face will damage it (shrill, dull, boomy sound)
  20. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Giovanni do you feel that ProTools has inherently better sound quality than Nuendo? How does Nuendo stack up against the various ProTools rigs in your estimation?
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