Question re. Beyer M81 hum/noise

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by Niels Münster, Nov 13, 2016.

  1. Niels Münster

    Niels Münster Active Member

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    Hi, everyone!


    This is my first here at the forum; I am somewhat new to the world of recording, so please bear with me. I recently purchased a pair of Beyer M81s (M818) to experiment a bit with some old mics. They are supposed to be fantastic dynamics - but I'm having issues with mine. Both of them emit a serious buzz/hum/noise through a PA speaker, and when trying to record through my GAP 73, there's no signal until I hit the upper gain stages - and then, the same hum prevails.

    What puzzles me is that both mics exhibit this behaviour, which leads me to think that maybe I am doing something wrong. Could the problem be in the tuchel-XLR adapters, or are there other potential pitfalls? Or did I simply buy a pair of lemons?


    Thank you so much, and best regards,

    Niels
     
  2. DonnyThompson

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    If memory serves, those looked like a cross between a mini Sennheiser 421 - and an electric razor.. LOL...
    I remember hearing at one time that Norelco made the body for them - although that might have just been a myth based on their appearance and similarity to an electric shaver.

    Beyond that, I don't know much more about them; other than that Beyer has always had a solid reputation for making great mics..

    That's where I would look first. You may want to contact Beyer and make sure that the Klein-Tuchel adapter will work on that model; because even if the adapter physically fits the socket, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will work for this particular model; if the pin-out wiring is different between the mic, the jack on the mic end, and the jack on the preamp end.

    Well, yeah, I suppose it's possible, if you bought them from someone who had perhaps attempted to mod them in any way, or perhaps to fix a faulty connection or something, without really knowing what they were doing... it wouldn't be the first time;
    But the fact that both mics suffer from the same problem(s) points ( to me IMO) in the direction of the KT cable you are using.

    Besides that, have you looked at the connections on the KT/XLR jack ( on both ends) to make sure there aren't any faulty solder joints?
    You mentioned buzz/hum/noise... which is it? Because there is a difference - diagnostically speaking - and the type of noise can often be a good indicator of the source of the issue(s).

    Generally, "buzz" will indicate a grounding issue ( but not always)... "hum' and "noise" can indicate a bad cable, or one improperly wired.

    I'm also assuming that the "GAP-73" you mentioned is a Golden Age Neve-style 1073 mic pre? That pre should have plenty of gain...

    I'd start with contacting Beyer and asking them about the Tuchel. They may have a list of their older mics which will - and won't - work with that type of adaptive cable...

    http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/contact.html

    beyond what I've mentioned, I'd hand the ball off on this one to Boswell ( @Boswell )
    or Dave ( @dvdhawk ); these two guys are far more savvy with electronics and repair than I am. ;)

    -donny
     
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  3. Niels Münster

    Niels Münster Active Member

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    Hi Donny,

    Thank you so much for your more than merely fulfilling response. I have written to Beyer now and will await response - and post the result here.

    Best regards,
    Niels
     
  4. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

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    I've never used an M81, but I do know that the wiring on their Klein Tuchel connector is not the standard as used on the M69, so it's unlikely that any of the readily-available Tuchel-XLRs adaptors will work. If you manage to get the pinout information from Beyer, we can suggest how you could re-wire your existing adaptor.
     
  5. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty certain there were 3 versions of these - Hi impedance, unbalanced, medium impedence (250-600) balanced and a balanced low impedance one which I think was 25-50 Ohm. The Shure 545 which was similar period had the medium and high impedance selection, and in the 70s, when people dug these up, they often had all sorts of noise and tone issues when using them in the wrong mode. From your description I bet they're high impedance versions - plug them into a guitar amp and see if they produce hum free output.
     
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