Recording Commercial PunkRock songs

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by Blor007, May 28, 2005.

  1. Blor007

    Blor007 Guest


    I'm looking to create a sound like Greenday,NOFX,Blink182,...
    I know these 3 are like apples and lemons but what I mean is :
    The broad full fat guitars.
    The Jummy Kickdrum.
    The Juicy Snare.
    The dirty ampeg-style sounding bass etc...etc...

    Does anyone have any tips on EQ'ing/Compressing or Gating or Echo or whatever on this subject?
    Or maybe a guide that goes into detail.
    In general I only find tips for rock, and I'm looking for a more Punk-Rock sound.
    Not the old-clash-sound style , but the new generation!

    I hope anyone can understand what I mean and maybe give me some tips ?

    Thx in advance,
    Boets ( )
  2. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    define jummy kickdrum and juicy snare, and when i think of those bands fat guitars don't come to mind.
  3. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Beware of PUNKS!!!

    Recording punks. Is always fun. :lol: NOT
    I like to joke about punks that play in punk bands.
    They love their "punkness", but don't wanta be labeled "punks".
    I have found most of the time that the name punk, is used to describe an additude. And that is exactally what these little punks want.
    First off, you can almost garantee, that their gear will be of low "punk like" expectations.
    So I wouldn't plan on recording with any of their gear. And would be amased if they knew the difference in good quality or really bad.
    I am ashamed to say that in the past, I played in bands that at least one of the members liked "punk". And after it was over with I think the "punk" like additude is why I left.
    I hate hanging around "punks".
    The style of "punk" has been around for sooo long, it's never been any good, and it took this long for it to fill the void that music has today. For "punk" rock to be on the radio, says alot about music today.
    I have heard that Greenday has some nice recordings sence they got signed. But you will most likely not have to try too hard to impress punks.
    P.S. You might want to get them to pay up front. Just incase they decide to act like "punks" :lol:
  4. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    i wasn't gonna go there but he's right, just recorded a punk band last week, the end of the guitar players guitar was duct taped, the bass player had a horrible hartke head that had a tube in it so he insisted on using it, the drummer sat down at my kit and complained about the set up but didn't move a thing after i told him he could. the singer literally mumbles into the mic even after i told him he'd have to pronunciate his words better. They were thrilled with my five minute mix and master, basically they were so terrible I won't let anyone listen to my final mixes.
  5. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Thankyou Jonnyc!
    I didn't want to go there either, but why make everyone find out the hard way :lol:
  6. Blor007

    Blor007 Guest

    Well I'm not ashamed to say that I am playing in a punkband and that we maybe as an exception DO live to high standards.

    We play the music not the lifestyle:

    We try to buy quality equipement:

    Gibson Les Paul, Ibanez Iceman.
    Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier and Marshall VS100.
    G12-T75 celestion speakers.

    Fender Jazzbas

    Cymballs: Z-custom rock crash
    Drums: Tama rockstar Custom with remo Power stroke 3
    Hihat: Z-custom dyno beat
    Kick Pedal: Tama iron cobra HP900

    Lemme specify what I mean with a good sound.

    The bas-guitar should extend the spectrum of the guitar, and when it plays what I like to call a ''bass lead'' it should be in front of the mix. You should be able to hear every note at all times.

    The kick should have lots of click in it and be audible at all times.

    The Snare dead centered in the mix and snapping you in the face evey time the drummer hit's it.

    Guitars should be fat and have a full stereo sound to it.

    In short: I'm having troubles to let every instrument sound in the mix. (I'm a beginner so I have to learn that).
    Compression does a little difference but not much...

    Any tips would help,
    Thx in advance!
  7. Rider

    Rider Guest

    good post! im in a, as my bassist describes it, emocore (is that right?).

    im the same sorta, but i really dont know anything about the lifestyle and really not much about the music, my bassist showed me some songs and i was like 'what the hell, ive been playing that???'.

    youd be surprised what some punk bands know about gear. youd be surprised how little other bands in other genres know about gear. just about any high school garage band will not know much about gear.

    blor, thats a nice guitar setup, im jealous. :p
  8. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Apr 21, 2005
    Its not super hard to do what you want. Its all a matter of mixing. You want the kick drum to have the click sound first off you'll want a quality head then youll wanna deadin it a tad to get rid of some of the boominess then its all about eq and compression, i usually add some high frequency and lows around 100hz and just mess with it till i get that sound. Next the snare could use a decent gate, some eqing depending on if you want a deep snare or shallow more piccallo type snare then leave it right in the middle of the mix and bring the volume up. I suck at mixing bass guitars so I'll let someone else deal with that, and with guitars make sure you get good loud levels I usually use an sm57 with a shure ksm109, eq them the way you want I don't duplicate the track sense I have 2 already. Last nudge once guitar very slightly like 2-5ms and you should have a thicker sound.
  9. Squaysh

    Squaysh Guest

    Re: Beware of PUNKS!!!

    I heard this week that the name "punk" was originally given to inmates who took a beating round back in prison... if you know what i mean...YIKES :shock:
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    ...and now adays it just means, some goofball that can't play worth a $*^t.
    Come on can't a guy have a little fun :lol:
    Blor007 try to use a direct box on the bass to get a good sound on the bass guitar.
    I'm out :!:
    Sorry if I offended any punks :lol:
  11. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Current Green Day is aiming high.

    Compression and Limiting is a big factor in this stuff.

    As 'its that guy again' said
    the DI box can be your friend with bass guit

    even the main guits can be recorded with sounds other than the ones you might use during a real gig
    recording isn't always about telling the truth ... but creating a view ... or a dream
    layer your rhythm guits

    and remember tthat you don't always have to use EQ ... hi pass and lo pass filters can be just as effective
  12. bobbo

    bobbo Active Member

    Dec 11, 2004

    On bass i've heard good things with a sans amp di
    on kick I would limit it and deadin it
    on snare i would limit it too. tape it down to kill the overtone or leave it untaped for an open sound depending on your taste
    I don't care for "punk" music but i've heard some good ambient room micing to give a fullness to the snare and kick toms.
    have a good drummer to give good even hits on kick/snare
    like someone else said, double the guitars for each side, and any leads i would record seperatly and put it in the center.
    on kick you may want to cut some of the muddy 300-500hz too
    and cut the lows out of the gtrs and and cut the low lows out of the bass gtr (if needed) so it isn't all boomy.

    compression is a punk's best friend

  13. Blor007

    Blor007 Guest

    Nice post bobbo I'll try that next time and I'll let you hear what I can come up with.

    As for ''it's that guy again'' you can offend the punks if you want, everyone should be able to have a good laugh everyday.
    As long as you don't really mean it and are tolerate for every lifestyle. All we need is a little more tolerance in this world ;)

    Anyways , you guys already have been very helpfull.
    Next month I'm going to try all this but now I'm off to study.
    (stupid examinations :p)
  14. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    Cool 8)
    Good luck
  15. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    For a punk-pop or any other agressive rock sound, a DI box is the opposite of your friend.

    YOUR BEST FRIENDS are good instruments to being with...
    great guitars and drums and amps will get you most of the way there.

    Without them it's VERY tough.

    Take it for granted that thsoe bands have THEIR sound together before they hit the studio.

    Keep everything fairly dry, if not completely so.
    Don't over compress anything, as you WANT the jagged edges to cut through.

    And finally, if it's ARRANGED and played well, it will be easy to record.
    If the drums and bass aren't together or the guitar steps into the bass and so on, it won't have that power that you get when it feels ike the entire band is pumping together.
  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Feb 10, 2001
    DI's rule :!: It's true. I have at least 10. And I always go direct with the bass guitar. I would go direct with everything, if it sounded as good as the bass does, but it doesn't.
    So I use mic's on everything else, with the execption of the keyboards.
    And I use a DI on the keyboards as well, a Radail JMP1, they are awesome little units.
    To get a big fat guitar sound, I use a tube head and 2 mic's. One up close, but not too close (I like em 2 inches back or so). And the other mic, out in front of the cabinet (I like that to be appox. 5 or 6 feet away). Just make sure that the guitarist isn't gonna walk in front of his guitar cabinet, over and over again and again. Then mix both mic's so that one is the "meat" and one is the "A1" :D
    Also use good mic pre-amp's on ALL of your mic's and compress the vocals just a tad.
    When you mixdown...
    Put the reverb across AUX1
    Now put the reverb on the snare and a little on the overhead. None anywhere else. That way the kit stay's "dry and tight". And don't throw any reverb on the guitar either, keep it real dry also.
    The bass is simple. Just make it blend in last.
    But don't forget your DI :wink:
  17. Trigger the drums. If the drummer's kit sound like ass (this is punk right?), then replace the hits from sampled hits/drum libraries. Thats how you get the big fat kick, snare and tom sounds. That and LOTS of compression, most cats I know end up compressing the snare 3 times before they are done.

    Check out drumagog and sound replacer for drums.
  18. Blor007

    Blor007 Guest

    I have drumagog but I find it hard to find GOOD quality FREE samples. And I find it a bit to pricy to go and buy a pack.

    Does anyone have some good samples I could use for kick/snare?
  19. EBAY

    People are always selling sample cds for around $10, and they usually have 1,000-4,000 samples of dry hits.

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