recording device with about 20 inputs

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by inLoco, Aug 23, 2004.

  1. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    hey guys

    i'm checking the possibility of getting a recording interface for my pc!
    i'd love to setup my studio but i'd also like to do live recordings of my band!
    we're thinking of launching our demo as a concert!
    i'd love to have the following inputs
    4 inputs for keys
    2 for electric guitars
    1 acoustic guitar
    1 bass
    8 drums
    2 vocals
    2 crowd
    this gives 20 inputs
    i'm around 2000 euros in budget at the most so i was thinking of the motu 828mkII!
    it has 20 inputs and 22 outputs!
    but for this i'd have to have 8 pre-amps with adat!
    i have an old roland vs 840! this has a digital optical out so i could connect it to give me the other two inputs

    can you recommend me a good or average mic pres at max 1000 euros? for dollars around 800$ cause in usa things are cheaper!

    i've checked rme octamic, presonus too, m-audio... but
    what do you recommend?
    is it better other stuff instead of the motu?
    i dig that cause it has good 24/96 and is portable but help here...
    i know too the new rme fireface but may be a little expensive

    hope to hear from you guys

  2. Motu 24 i/o
  3. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    thks for your reply but motu 24 i/o is pci card and i want to be able to use it it my laptop for recording live gigs!

    any other sugestions and mic pres for adat?
  4. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    The new Presonus Firepod looks interesting. It appears to have 20 channels of I/O, firwire interface and comes with Cubase LE for a stree price under $599.

    I'm on the prowl for firewire interface myself and I'm looking real hard at the Digi 002 rack, but this new gem has caught my interest. I don't care about the mic pre's as I have low hopes of them meeting my snobish needs. I may just hold out for AES in SF and see what shows up there.
  5. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    audiogaff the presonus fireport doesn't have adat... it has only the 8 xlr and the optical in right? i think you are confusing with the digi max

    is it?
  6. damienthorn

    damienthorn Guest

    you could always have a look at the RME digiface ... it has 3 x ADAT i/o on-board and works with the RME Cardbus PCMCIA card, have a look at the multiface too, which you can run in conjunction with RME's Quadmic. The digiface would also run rather nicely with an Octamic-D (which o/p's over ADAT or AES/EBU).
  7. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    hey damienthorn... it's just you i want to talk to!

    i really dig rme products! i've seen great reviews and best of all know people here in portugal who love using it!
    because i don't have a big budget i want to compare stuff between rme and motu.

    tell me something!
    what products would you list (rme of course) for the following use:
    use with both my laptop and my desk computer. (laptop for recording gigs)
    one day i want to be able to record drums in my "studio" so i want to be "prepared".
    for the recording live my band would love to use the following
    8 xlr inputs for drums
    2 xlr inputs for miking the electric guitars
    1 input for acoustic guitar
    1 input for bass
    2 xlr inputs for vocals
    4 inputs for keyboards
    2 xlr inputs for miking the room for the crowd
    = 20 inputs (14 xlr and 6 line ins)

    because i don't want to already get behind i'd want to be able to get 24/96! it doesn't have to be all inputs but at least 8 for one day i want to mic drums at my studio. for live i can go with the 16/44100.

    what rme configurations (if you can give me more than one) would you suggest?

    thanks for your reply
  8. damienthorn

    damienthorn Guest

    well, I'd definately look at the Fireface800 ... this gives 56 simultaneous channels and runs over either fw400 or the new high bandwidth fw800.

    The fact that it runs over firewire gives you ability to switch between laptop and desktop based environments with ease.

    The Fireface 800 already has 4 mic pre's each with their own insert point ... if you then add an Octamic-D into the equation you get another 8 mic pre's at up to 192/24 across ADAT or AES/EBU (I imagine you'll be running over ADAT so you'll have a maximum of 96k).

    This now gives you 12 mic pre's, 8 rear-mounted, 4 front mounted in 2u of space with plenty of line-in's left ... but your looking for 14 mic pre's (if i'm reading your mail correctly), so you can always add a Quadmic to the set-up which will give you an extra 4 mic pre's ... so now at 16.

    Another way to look at it would be to use the RME Digiface together with the RME Cardbus (for laptop) and PCI card for your desktop. This will then give you 24 channels of in-bound ADAT (12 @ 96/24). Add two Octamic-D's to this and connect them to the Digiface using ADAT light pipes and you've then 16 mic pre's coming in plus a spare ADAT in (which is where we need to incorporate your line in's). To do this, I would add an RME ADI-8DS (8 channel converter) to give you eight balanced line-in's ... you're then overcooking by 2 mic pre's and two i/p's, but then a bit of wiggle room never goes amiss either ...

    You've then also got 8 balanced line outs + 24 channels of outbound ADAT too ...

    The total mix software and digicheck analytical tools will come with either of these set-up's ...

    Have a look at the reviews (the Fireface is to new to have any as yet, but very soon ...), under the reviews tab.

    Hope this helps ...
  9. damienthorn

    damienthorn Guest

    well, actually 16 channels of outbound ADAT if the other 8 will be feeding the ADI-8DS to get to the analog world ...
  10. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    sure helps!
    many thanks but i have another question...

    is way is cheeper? the first one seems to be cheaper right?
    do the prices you get to the uk are the same here in portugal?

    i've checked a few stores but i like the musicstore in koeln germany

    there the prices are the following:
    fireface - 1298 euros
    octamic with adc module - 999 euros
    quadmic - 379 euros

    can i get them cheaper?
  11. damienthorn

    damienthorn Guest

    I'm afraid pricing will be down to your dealer ... I can quote the RRP's to you for the UK if that helps ...

    Fireface800 £999
    Octamic-D £780
    Quadmic £312
    ADI-8DS £1280
    PCMCIA Card £230
    PCI Card £200
    Digiface £420

    Happy hunting ...
  12. damienthorn

    damienthorn Guest

    If finance is an issue, the modular approach to putting the kit together would allow you to prioritise your purchases ...
  13. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Well after checking which I should have done in the first place instead of just relying on the email I read from Sweewater, it does indeed only have 8-ch analog I/O, 2-ch digital S/PDIF I/O. Sorry, I usuallyhave my info correct. Guess it's not what I'm looking for either.
  14. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    Whittier, California, USA
    for the 828 mk ii to achieve 20 chs you will need in adition to 8 preamps w/adat 8 more channels of preamps, as 8 pof the analog ins do not have preamps (2 come with motu pres for 10 analog pres) the other 2 ch are spdif and in adition to 2 more ch of preamps you will need an spdif conection between your preamp and the 828 (such as a rosetta 2 ch Ad, for example).
  15. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    can't i connect the bass amp line out to one of the inputs?
    i don't understand what you are saying...
    for using those 20 inputs live i 14 would be for mics and the other 6 would be connected directly! acoustic guitar-line in, bass-line in and keys (4)-line ins.
    can't i achieve this with something that has 2 adats for connecting something like two rme octamics? this way i'd have 16 xlrs too...

    sorry but i'm a bit new in this "world" :cool:
  16. KB

    KB Guest

    Why fireface 800 are cheaper than ADI 8 pro DS & PCI card? Do they use the same engine? Aren't they
  17. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    good point KB...

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