reverb as insert or send

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  1. drzox

    drzox Guest

    I just read the topic from waves site about using reverb:

    They said to put reverb as insert,so my question is is it better to use reverb as insert or as send effect or it is the matter of saving cpu?
    Thanks in advance.
  2. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004

    for lower cpu use....

    and imo.... if you use more than two reverbs you either don't know how to mix or are going for special fx....
  3. Spocks Penis

    Spocks Penis Guest

    When you use reverb as a send and the mix is set to 100% wet, you do not affect the original signal's level, which may be preferrable (or not), with respect to how much send is actually sent.

    Spock, out.
  4. tomtom

    tomtom Guest

    Come on, Iznogood, let's not make such generalisations...

    Using a reverb as a send is convenient for two reasons : you save cpu or dsp power and your reverb is accessible in different amounts from every track of your project.

    Using a reverb as a insert uses more cpu, but gives you more creative options.
    In the case of the TrueVerb (but others do that too), it is possible to simulate distance between the source and the listener.
    More or less reverb alone on a source does not make the trick. Some reverbs have extra parameters that alter the quality and combination of early reflections, tail and dry signal in order to modify the perceived acoustic space and give your brain a better sense of depth and space.
    In order to acheive that effect, the dry signal (your track) needs to be processed through your chosen program. If you used those typical reverbs as a send, you would not be able to make use of those features, because the amound of dry signal would remain the same, no matter how much or little reverb you have in the mix.
    In sound for picture, we use those effects extensively for the sake of realism. With plug in parameters being automatable, you can match perceived distance from shot to shot.
    And of course it works for special effects too.

    Try both and decide!
  5. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    i was talking about mixing popular music... and yes it's a generalisation.... but one that could be applied to 90% of the records i mixed....
  6. tomtom

    tomtom Guest

    ...And you are probably right, but I just jump when I read or hear such comments, because some people take everything they read/hear for granted, then they spread the word out, often out of context. It can be misleading. Maybe we shouldn't worry about that category of people, (oooh I sound snotty), but still, we are all trying to learn and share. Hey, Iznogood, I did not mean to offend you in any way...
  7. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Tacoma, WA
    Oh, hell, I thought you meant he shouln't make generalizations about people who use more than 2 reverbs being morons...

    Nope, that one's true...

    I guess the real question is not which should reverb use, but - are you familiar with the difference?

    If you use it as an insert - on a traditional mixing console, you can, at maximum get 2 channels to go through it. (Okay, not entirely true - cuz you could make it a bus insert... but you're still only doing 2 channels, they just happen to have a bunch of channels rolled into them)

    If you use it as a send, then you can bus individual channels out to the reverb and then bring them back - each at their own independent volumes.

    When working with a traditional mixing console, I usually put the reverb on 2 channels of post-fader sends.

    If I'm hoping to single out a specific voice - for example - live show with single vocalist - I might just as easily put it in as an insert.

    When working within a DAW, I typically put an Aux bus track elsewhere in the mix with a Reverb on it and bus each track to it at what ever level I'd like to. This is by nature a post-fader send, but it works great and lowers CPU hits by not having multiple channels of reverb spread out across the program.

    There are SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO many ways of doing it, you just really need to look at the signal flow (whether it be real or fake) and decide which one best suits your needs.

    J. :cool:
  8. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Feb 9, 2005
    South Florida
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    When you say "lower CPU use" does that apply to using it just in one channel or only if I use it for multiple channels?

    For example, one channel, one reverb: is there any CPU difference if I use it as a send or an insert?
  9. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Tacoma, WA
    Nope, 1 instance is one instance.

    You can put it anywhere you'd like and it would be the same...
  10. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    i was not offended in anyway 8)

    i must remember to use emoticons...

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