Ribbon as S mic

Discussion in 'Microphones' started by John Stafford, Apr 14, 2005.

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  • Royer ribbon microphones - Why?

    Simply put, when you put a quality ribbon mic on an instrument, voice, or other sound source, what you hear on playback is closer to real sound in nature than with any other kind of microphone.

  1. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

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    Hi everyone
    I was just wondering if anyone here has ever used a ribbon in an M/S setup. Is it a good idea?

    BTW I'm talking about a situation where the Mid is a condenser.

    Many thanks

    John
     
  2. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

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    Never done it with a condenser mic (interesting idea, though...) I've used ribbons for some M/S stuff...the natural figure 8 pattern seems to be perfectly suited for that application.

    As long as the Mid is cardiod, it should be bueno...
     
  3. foldedpath

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    I've heard of people doing this, it should work fine. You would probably want to avoid those models (like the Royer 121/122, I think?) that have an offset ribbon where the response is different on each side.

    Mike Barrs
     
  4. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

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    When doing M-S micing, I prefer to have 2 mics that are a bit more matched in timbre... When I use ribbons, I use 2 ribbons for M-S work, otherwise it is 2 condensers.

    That said, there is no reason why you can't do it. As Mike said, watch the ribbons with differing sounds on both sides like the Royers. You'd do much better with Coles, RCA, Beyer etc...

    --Ben
     
  5. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

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    Thank you gentlemen for the advice. It never even ocurred to me that the R121 might not be the ideal mic, even after listening to the recordings on the Royer site demonstrating the differences between the back and front :?

    Sometimes I can be a bit slow to pick these things up :lol:

    John
     
  6. mdemeyer

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    I believe that, according to Royer, the difference between the front and back responses of their mics is because the ribbon is closer to one side than the other and therefore, the proximity effect is more pronounced on one side than the other. (I think they have a patent on this idea.)

    If that is correct, then at the distances the sounds should be coming from in a normal MS setup, this really should not matter.

    I know there are some Royer fans on this board. From your experience, do the two sides sound the same from a distance?

    Michael
     
  7. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

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    Not in my experience... The ribbon is indeed offset, but what I've heard doesn't seem like the result of proximity effect.

    --Ben
     
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