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  1. WDavidW

    WDavidW Guest

    I'm looking to upgrade my gear and in the process some people suggested that I also upgrade my converters and interface. A couple guys suggested either a MOTU 828mkII or an RME Multiface. What do you guys suggest? Which is better? Any opinions or other options? Also, I usually record alone and I have just four channels right now, so I won't be needing anything with more than 8 or 10. Thanks.
  2. random logic

    random logic Guest

    hi david!

    motu 828mk2 is the best way to go!! i compared the cards (rme multiface and the old 828), and i found out that the old 828 is much better and versatile than RME. then the mk2 came out. i bought it immediately and it rocks!! . In one studio i have motu 2408 48k system and in the other one nuendo 96/52 system with 96k interfaces. i compared the 828mk2 to both systems and i can say that 828 mk2 converters are in the same league as the other two systems. the mic preamps and the instrument inputs work really great, they have a wide dynamic range and neutral sound. everything about this card is very well thought out, so the 828 mk2 is very well equiped for any recording situation. for me, this the most versatile sound card so far!!
  3. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    Whittier, California, USA
    I agree about the 828 mkII- And if you need to expand you can have 20 inputs with it, 2 w/ built in pre amp, 8 more on board (you need your own preamps, 2 via spdif and 8 via adat- can't go wrong with any of it!
  4. MisterBlue

    MisterBlue Active Member

    Mar 15, 2003
    I have had nothing but problems with MOTU in the past.
    I now have an RME Hammerfall 9652 card which has by far the lowest latency in the market (down to 64 samples) and I am using an RME ADI-8PRO converter system which is head and shoulders above the MOTU stuff - it's in a different league.
    I agree that the cheaper Multiface interface might be closer to the MOTU quality, but I guess I would still opt for RME as they seem to really know their audio engineering.

    In any case, I think that there is no way around the RME PCI cards for their superior performance and compatibility.

    Just my opinion,

  5. Death addeR

    Death addeR Guest

    Take this with a grain of salt, as I have personally used neither... but on most of the forums I frequent I see a lot of people having problems with MOTU stuff... and I've seen nothing but compliments about RME stuff...

    If money isn't a problem, I'd suggest looking at getting a lucid converter with one of the RME cards... that will cost quite a bit, though, to get 8 channels...

    Actually, I should clarify before I lead you astray... great monitors, great preamps, great mics, and great processors will likely have more effect on your sound than great soundcards/converters... so, hopefully other more experienced members can give their opinions, but... lucid stuff probably would be somewhat wasted money unless you have great gear all around the other areas... they are more like an expensive polisher...

    I still would recommend RME over MOTU, though, based on heresay around the net...

    [ January 06, 2004, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: Death addeR ]
  6. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    I have a pair of Aardvark Q10 (16 mic/line, 4 digital) that I like just fine.

    I originally shopped the MOTU, but gave up. Where there is smoke, there is likely fire. I saw tons of smoke blowing about MOTU on the PC platform, and support problems in general, so I gave up on it. The Q10 pair does everything I want, except it has no phase reversal, which I pointed out to their tech support.
  7. random logic

    random logic Guest

    as i wrote before i compared the motu 828mk2 with rme 96/52 with adi 8ds interface and there is a difference in sound, but its not head and shoulders above the MOTU. RME sounds better, which is normal if you consider that the price just for adi 8ds is higher than the full 828mk2. and if you want rme to work 96k you get only half the channels, compared to 10 96k inputs on 828mk2. it is true that the old 828 had problems with pcs (i use macs), but two of my friends use mk2 with pc laptops without any problems.
    multiface and 828mk2 are both very good interfaces, but for me, motu is still more versatile than rme.
  8. WDavidW

    WDavidW Guest

    From all the forums I've been reading around the web, I've noticed one thing that seems to be a pattern. It seems like people that really like the MOTU and aren't crazy about the RME are using a MAC. The ones that are having trouble with the MOTU and seem to love the RME are using a PC. I've got a PC. If the sound is better on the RME and there are less problems with it, then that's the direction I'll probably go.
  9. I have a MOTU and a PC and I have to agree that you basically need to be a PC tech to use MOTU stuff with Windows. Or just be very lucky.

    The chipset of your motherboard is one of the main sticking points... the wrong chipset and you'll have unsolvable problems. Luckily I built my computer from scratch myself specifically for audio and researched the best mobo's and chipsets and memory and all that...

    I love my MOTU rig (I have a 1224 and a 24i) and have had no problems with my setup, but I did the work beforehand.
  10. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    I own a computer consulting firm, so that part was easy.

    Yes, the chipset is core of the problem. I've torqued off more than a few forum members with my anti-VIA chipset stance. VIA is at the heart of chronic compatibility problems, and has been there since the onset. Yes, VIA gets better, but they release version after version of hardware in the attempt.

    The way to win with VIA, is to not play. Ditto for SoundBlaster. Neither can tie their own shoes nor play well with other children, so they are not welcome in the playground.
  11. Ron.G

    Ron.G Active Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    I have a Motu 1224 that is now out of service due to a lack of support for new Windows drivers. Sure they have drivers for XP but they do not work properly and are a complete pain in the a_ _ to install.

    If you are running a PC I would stay clear of MOTU stuff. There tech support is also a complete joke!
    I'm sure there products run great on a Mac but there support on the PC is a complete after thought.

    There are other companies out there that are always updating there drivers to get the best proformance out of there products. I do not see MOTU as one of them.

    Want to buy a 1224 cheap?
  12. That's interesting because I just bought a used 1224 core system and I'm running XP Pro and it runs great. No problems. The drivers were painless to install as well.

    Did you install the drivers BEFORE installing the PCI card?

    And how much is cheap? I might be interested in another one. :)

    I agree. Creative Labs is HORRIBLE. I hate their products and their drivers are gigantic and install a bunch of crap that you don't need and that ^#$%s with everything else you have installed.

    I have one VIA board. It was my first and last. The nForce chipset is fantastic.
  13. musicalhair

    musicalhair Guest

    I love my RME digiface, and I use a PC. I don't know much about MOTU but it looks to me like people that have technical problems with MOTU are usually on PCs, I think MOTU is more geared towards macs. I know one small studio in my area that uses MOTU and he is a mac guy.

    RME as some new cards that might meet you're needs better than the multiface. When I got the digiface it was a brand new one (I may have been the second costumer to recieve the digiface in the states actually) and the issues with "bleeding edge tech" never touched me. RME issues driver updates faster than I care to install them. I've had one problem syncing gear that was a real long time ago (synching via midi actually) that I've not had again, and I had a hardware problem that caused one day of down time and they replaced my card with an version of the card immediately about six months ago.

    RME tech support is great and they have a newsgroup where any and all tech questions are answered by Mathias who apparently is an owner. And he answers like seven days a week.

    I love my RME stuff (digital format converter, and a AD/DA converter in addition to the digiface), but I've not a lot of experience with other stuff. Before I purchased I saw that a lot of people at a different site were all using a similar machine configuration (the Pete Leoni design) and of those the guys that were using RME were most happy and problem free. Also, those that had problems seemed to quickly solve them. I chose my gear based on the idea that that community seemed to be a good resourse to set up the DAW and trouble shoot it. I had no trouble shooting to do to get up and running. I use Sonar, and RME gets along with Sonar just fine for me.

    That said, I'm not a professional studio, and while I like what I do if some one wants to look down their nose at my converters or my sound card or software that is fine. (Not like that Be^&g(*^er hack in the other thread), they're not Myteks and if I had sick money to toss around I'd go RADAR, and use my PC for midi and sheet music and arranging. But I'd have to have a lot of money to toss around before I got around to tossing it at anything aimed at replacing the digiface.
  14. Gabriel Sousa

    Gabriel Sousa Active Member

    Dec 15, 2002

    I have a RME DIGI 9636 with RME ADI-8 PRO, and i love it.
    I have too, a terratec EWX 24/96.

    RME is better ;)
  15. WDavidW

    WDavidW Guest

    RME sounds like a winner!
  16. WDavidW

    WDavidW Guest

    What other RME cards would you suggest?
  17. musicalhair

    musicalhair Guest

    RME has a really wide range of cards. Rather than recommend one go ahead an figure out you're needs and plan for those to grow over the short term (better to have too many features that to out grow those you have too quickly), then find the card (RME and others) that meet you're needs. Also, don't forget to consider things like a DA-98's or other devices that might meet your needs that aren't computers, sometimes just thinking along lines you wouldn't really consider will open up new ideas.

    Here is the RME link:

    This one caught my eye:

    (At least) One of the advertisers here at RO is a dealer of RME and others, and from whom I got my stuff from.
  18. Ron.G

    Ron.G Active Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    $150.00 and it's yours (complete core system).
    I have used it with 98 with no problems but when I went with XP I could not use the xlr digital inputs because they are not listed in the drivers section of my software or any audio software for that matter.

    Then I did some more searching and found out that they were not included with the XP driver update.

    Talked to tech support (after many un-answered emails and phone calls) he couldn't find them ether).Down time= 4 days.
    I did everything correctly when installing the new drivers. Un-install old drivers/take card out/in-stall new drivers/put card back in/ re-try... repeat untill I was completly pissed.

    I had a very important audio transfer job to do and found myself screwed.

    Ran out and got Delta 1010, istalled the driver and card and off I go with not one problems. Much lower latency(4ms)then I ever could get with the motu.

    Delta drivers are constantly being tweeked for better proformance and extremly low latency. the company actualy takes pride in supporting there products.

    Maybe MOTU has put out another driver set since this problem but I doubt it as there updates seem to come yearly at best.

    If you want another 1224 Let me know.

    End of rant.......

  19. ShellTones

    ShellTones Guest

    I use an M-audio card, but I've heard quite often lately that the Lynx cards had the best converters, followed closely by RME, and then every thing else. The Lynx are expensive, though. Lynx II retails MSRP is about $1,000.

  20. Gerd

    Gerd Guest

    if you are working on a pc go for the rme!
    it's great suported with software.
    but with the motu you don't need a pci-slot...
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