Hey Kurt (or Sebatron?), do you know how much the prices are going to be going up by (and how soon)? I definitely can't afford one right now (having some serious family problems right now, and I'm also flat broke paying for college), but really I'd like to in the not-to-distant-future, especially after hearing you talk about 'em
... And I'd hate to miss out on one of these if the price goes up too much. Which from what you've said about 'em, it sounds like they are easily worth 2-3 times the price they are now... I just wouldn't be able to afford it then. Thanks,
-tkr
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Has anybody other than Mr. Foster actually tried one of these things that everyone is clamouring over?
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Hi all
I am finding that this negativity and maliciousness towards Sebatron pres from people who have not heard them is getting very tiring. It amazes me how the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists come out swinging whenever someone comes up with something that defies their (the nay sayers et al) comprehension or seems too good to be true. Sure, skepticism is one thing, but the BS being seen on this and other threads is really more indicative of the posters than the Seb pre.
I first heard about this pre from Kurt on this board. I followed up with more web based research and thought "for $1500 for 4 channels - if it's half as good as Kurt's review and the subsequent comments I read - I can't loose". Being in the Islands I do not have the opportunity to "try before I buy". Sebatron offered to refund me if I was not satisfied. After testing this pre on vocals (male and female), bass guitar, and drums, I was so satisfied that I ordered a second one.
Since I close my studio for hurricane season (and have no use of my gear from July till November) and because my second pre will not ship until after I close the studio in July, I offered for Sebatron to send my unit to Fletcher at Mercenary for an evaluation. Hopefully this will happen. If Fletcher is not interested, I would make the same offer to someone else of the same stature in the industry. (FLAKES NEED NOT APPLY!).
I have absolutely nothing to gain by doing this, but feel the quality of this pre and the bad hype from non-users justifies lending my gear out for an honest unbiased evaluation. I think that Sebatron is getting the short end of the stick - because he made a better mousetrap.
For all of you non-believers - NO I am not involved in any way with Sebatron, and NO I am not using any other aliases in any other posts. Until someone with credibility says this thing sucks, why not back off.
If anyone has any serious questions, i invite you to invest in a long distance phone call. email for my number.
I am finding that this negativity and maliciousness towards Sebatron pres from people who have not heard them is getting very tiring. It amazes me how the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists come out swinging whenever someone comes up with something that defies their (the nay sayers et al) comprehension or seems too good to be true. Sure, skepticism is one thing, but the BS being seen on this and other threads is really more indicative of the posters than the Seb pre.
I first heard about this pre from Kurt on this board. I followed up with more web based research and thought "for $1500 for 4 channels - if it's half as good as Kurt's review and the subsequent comments I read - I can't loose". Being in the Islands I do not have the opportunity to "try before I buy". Sebatron offered to refund me if I was not satisfied. After testing this pre on vocals (male and female), bass guitar, and drums, I was so satisfied that I ordered a second one.
Since I close my studio for hurricane season (and have no use of my gear from July till November) and because my second pre will not ship until after I close the studio in July, I offered for Sebatron to send my unit to Fletcher at Mercenary for an evaluation. Hopefully this will happen. If Fletcher is not interested, I would make the same offer to someone else of the same stature in the industry. (FLAKES NEED NOT APPLY!).
I have absolutely nothing to gain by doing this, but feel the quality of this pre and the bad hype from non-users justifies lending my gear out for an honest unbiased evaluation. I think that Sebatron is getting the short end of the stick - because he made a better mousetrap.
For all of you non-believers - NO I am not involved in any way with Sebatron, and NO I am not using any other aliases in any other posts. Until someone with credibility says this thing sucks, why not back off.
If anyone has any serious questions, i invite you to invest in a long distance phone call. email for my number.
Kurt Foster
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Dan,
Thank you for that! Yours and others kind words make this worth it! It really started to bum me out when I started reading all the negative posts at “***Censored***”. It’s like “Why do I bother?” I don’t get paid to do this and I receive no perks or other compensation for writing these reviews. “Why should I put myself up to be ridiculed and slandered?” I do this only because I have always wanted to be a writer but until now, I have never been able to find something to write about. Then I finally figured out that I might be able to do a pretty good job at reviewing audio products. In the current state of the marketplace, mics and pres are two of the things I am most interested in.
Sometimes I feel like I can’t win.. I have been attacked here on the boards before because I have stated an opinion that something sucks.. so I begin to modify my responses to not be so harsh and now I am coming under fire for only saying good things and not saying if something licks.
In all the reviews I have done here at RO, the reason I never say anything negative is, I don’t publish the reviews of the crap I get. I check out the gear and if I can’t be rabidly positive of it in my evaluation, I send it back to the manufacturer and tell them that I can’t write a positive review for them. I suspect this is how all reviewers approach this as I personally have never seen a negative review published. Ever! And I read a lot of reviews. So when you see a review of a piece of gear you can probably assume that it has already passed muster and is of at least a minimum level of quality. To be frank, most reviewers won’t publish negative comments because they want to insure they will have an ability to get more gear to write about in the future. If a reviewer writes something slamming a piece, the OEM’s will cut them off immediately. It’s unfortunate but it’s true. So the only way to maintained any level of ethics while doing this is to follow the old axiom, “If you can’t say something good, don’t say anything at all!”. Thanks for your kind words Dan … Kurt
Thank you for that! Yours and others kind words make this worth it! It really started to bum me out when I started reading all the negative posts at “***Censored***”. It’s like “Why do I bother?” I don’t get paid to do this and I receive no perks or other compensation for writing these reviews. “Why should I put myself up to be ridiculed and slandered?” I do this only because I have always wanted to be a writer but until now, I have never been able to find something to write about. Then I finally figured out that I might be able to do a pretty good job at reviewing audio products. In the current state of the marketplace, mics and pres are two of the things I am most interested in.
Sometimes I feel like I can’t win.. I have been attacked here on the boards before because I have stated an opinion that something sucks.. so I begin to modify my responses to not be so harsh and now I am coming under fire for only saying good things and not saying if something licks.
In all the reviews I have done here at RO, the reason I never say anything negative is, I don’t publish the reviews of the crap I get. I check out the gear and if I can’t be rabidly positive of it in my evaluation, I send it back to the manufacturer and tell them that I can’t write a positive review for them. I suspect this is how all reviewers approach this as I personally have never seen a negative review published. Ever! And I read a lot of reviews. So when you see a review of a piece of gear you can probably assume that it has already passed muster and is of at least a minimum level of quality. To be frank, most reviewers won’t publish negative comments because they want to insure they will have an ability to get more gear to write about in the future. If a reviewer writes something slamming a piece, the OEM’s will cut them off immediately. It’s unfortunate but it’s true. So the only way to maintained any level of ethics while doing this is to follow the old axiom, “If you can’t say something good, don’t say anything at all!”. Thanks for your kind words Dan … Kurt
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Give your head a shake. Nobody's slamming Sebatron pre's. A lot of people are slamming their marketing practices, and I for one, am wondering as to whether anybody has actually heard them. I've never in my life seen as much hype about a product that so few people have actually heard.
Maybe they're great; maybe they're not. But I can't suddenly buy wholesale into them being the greatest mic pre ever made in the history of the universe based purely on a single web review (especially when there also happens to be a lot of manufactured hype surrounding them). I'm skeptical by nature. Being so, I'd actually like to hear some more comment and perhaps (gasp!) even some recorded clips before determining whether it's something worth trying out.
I honestly hope it turns out to be the RNC of tube pre's, but so far it seems more like the [="http://www.theitquestion.com/"]Ginger[/] of tube pre's.
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Give my head a shake???
Maybe give your head a shake!
What marketing practices???
It's a very good pre - if you haven't tried it - why knock it - there are a number of positive posts from totally impartial users.
Why this conspiracy theory about "marketing practices"? - I am not (nor do I believe lots of others are) part of any "marketing practice" - it's a very good pre - a number of us that have had the opportunity to try it believe that - what is a "marketing practice" about that???
I think your "negative hype" comments are a bigger issue - who said it was "the greatest pre in the history of the universe"? Why make a comment that implies someone else claimed something - only to knock down what was not specifically said? These types of comments only fan the "hype" flame!
Lighten up until you have heard these pres.
Dan
Maybe give your head a shake!
What marketing practices???
It's a very good pre - if you haven't tried it - why knock it - there are a number of positive posts from totally impartial users.
Why this conspiracy theory about "marketing practices"? - I am not (nor do I believe lots of others are) part of any "marketing practice" - it's a very good pre - a number of us that have had the opportunity to try it believe that - what is a "marketing practice" about that???
I think your "negative hype" comments are a bigger issue - who said it was "the greatest pre in the history of the universe"? Why make a comment that implies someone else claimed something - only to knock down what was not specifically said? These types of comments only fan the "hype" flame!
Lighten up until you have heard these pres.
Dan
Kurt Foster
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I will post which is which after we get some more responses to the snippits poll. I want to see what all of you think. There has only been one response so far. I would be interesed to hear what J. Slator has to say, go ahead and rate the snippits.. let's see what your ears say J.
Actually, I suspect that a lot of the detractors are bummed out that there may be a better pre amp available for less money, after they have gone out and spent bundles on a Neve clone knock off. One of the guys from the place where this all started is supposed to come to my place and we are going to compare his Great River. I will add that to the snippits list if/when that happens so you can all hear for yourselves. Kurt
Actually, I suspect that a lot of the detractors are bummed out that there may be a better pre amp available for less money, after they have gone out and spent bundles on a Neve clone knock off. One of the guys from the place where this all started is supposed to come to my place and we are going to compare his Great River. I will add that to the snippits list if/when that happens so you can all hear for yourselves. Kurt
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You obviously didn't read the HC thread. Their marketing practices involve planting people on every webboard on the planet to "rave" about their pre's in a very peculiar fashion. The names Bowsic posted are some of the aliases. If you think that's paranoia, try actually reading the posts. It's actually very obvious.
Show me where I knocked it. I havn't. You seem convinced that I have. That's why I suggested you give your head a shake.
Well, I count two.
Kurt said it is better than any other pre he's ever heard. Some of the Sebatron plants have said that it "blows away" every other pre, and that major labels were suddenly interested in their music after they started using the Sebatron. It would have to be the greatest pre ever made for it to get you a record deal.
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I think some of the lack of response may be because they clips are so short. I didn't have much of a listen before the rao server went down, but I'll give them a better go this weekend and tell you my impressions.
I doubt it.
Australia?
Some longer snips would be nice, as would some different sources. I was hoping that Dan Richards would get a unit and post some clips on his "listening sessions" website. Apparantly they've told him they'll send him one, but he doesn't have it yet.
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J.
I did it that way to keep it simple and to avoid confusion. The question isn't what do you think of the pres on different sources but can you hear any differences between these pres on one source? Also longer samples would have meant longer d-load time for many and I'm not pressing and selling CDs, so I kept it as short as possible. Unlike other people I actually have work / things to record and I don't want to spend days / weeks / months doing shootouts just to keep my studio busy. I wanted to keep it a short as possible and get it over with. I did this as a courtesy due to popular demand. I also did it this way so I would be sure all the samples were consistent in how they were miked and recorded. (k.i.s.s. principal) Acoustic guitar is one of the most difficult things to record well, so I thought that was an obvious choice. :tu: Kurt
No not Australia, but another recording forum site.
I did it that way to keep it simple and to avoid confusion. The question isn't what do you think of the pres on different sources but can you hear any differences between these pres on one source? Also longer samples would have meant longer d-load time for many and I'm not pressing and selling CDs, so I kept it as short as possible. Unlike other people I actually have work / things to record and I don't want to spend days / weeks / months doing shootouts just to keep my studio busy. I wanted to keep it a short as possible and get it over with. I did this as a courtesy due to popular demand. I also did it this way so I would be sure all the samples were consistent in how they were miked and recorded. (k.i.s.s. principal) Acoustic guitar is one of the most difficult things to record well, so I thought that was an obvious choice. :tu: Kurt
No not Australia, but another recording forum site.
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No, I wasn't suggesting that you should do a lengthy shootout, just that I'd like to hear one. Dan Richards, bless his twisted heart, seems not to mind spending a lot of time doing that kind of thing. I'm looking forward to him getting one of these units.
Kurt Foster
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Yes he seems to have plenty of time on his hands to do that. Kurt
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Great thread, passionate but civil. Slator, I remember you from when I used to hang out at H-C. Glad to see you posting here.
For anybody who thinks Kurt is just a rubber-stamping PR guy, I have read his negative opinions on various pieces of gear in regular threads many times. As the guy said, he just doesn't go out of his way to review gear that he doesn't like. Doc
For anybody who thinks Kurt is just a rubber-stamping PR guy, I have read his negative opinions on various pieces of gear in regular threads many times. As the guy said, he just doesn't go out of his way to review gear that he doesn't like. Doc
I have ordered a Sebatron Pre as I ponder becoming a dealer or distributor.
I carry very limited brands based solely on whther or not I would use it the item in my studio. If I like this unit enough to use it I will move to the next step and carry it as a dealer.
I will letyou know after I get it.
Steve
I carry very limited brands based solely on whther or not I would use it the item in my studio. If I like this unit enough to use it I will move to the next step and carry it as a dealer.
I will letyou know after I get it.
Steve
