Setup / Recording advice?

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  1. snyderman

    snyderman Active Member

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    Hi All,
    I’d gladly welcome any advice/comments on the following:
    I’m playing/recording 4 shows over the weekend. Would rather hire out the recording chores but our band has now recording budget for these shows.

    The venue is a very live (wood floor) & sm (125 seats, lowish ceiling)concert house.
    We are a tango group playing the music of Astor Piazzolla.
    Instruments:
    Violin
    Cello
    2 Bandoneons / Accordions
    Piano (7” Steinway )
    Bass (electric / amped upright)
    Small drum set

    Equipment:
    Earthworks QTC30’s – matched set
    Rode NT5 - matched set
    3x 414’s
    3x sm 57’s
    Royer 121
    Studio Projects T3

    Millennia media HV-3 (2 channels)
    DigiMAX (8 pre’s)
    Digi 002 (4 pre’s)

    The stage is very tight. My plan was to use the Earthworks in the middle of the front semi-circle (Violin, Bandoneon 1, Bandoneon 2, Cello) & spot the Violin (414) & cello (royer)
    Back row: Pno (2 414’s in XY or ORTIF, inside of near stick at opening), Bass (sm57 on amp), Perc. (NT5’s in XY, sm57 on kick)

    I’m mostly concerned with getting a good piano sound. We have always had difficulty with good piano presence in this space.

    Thanks for your thoughts,
    Derek
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  2. bap

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    I can't help - sorry!

    ..but I was curious as to if your venue is Kerrytown in Ann Arbor?
     
  3. snyderman

    snyderman Active Member

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    kerrytown?

    The venue is indeed Kerrytown Concert House. Nice lively place to play. Tricky to record. How do you know it?
     
  4. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Distinguished Member

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    I think you will get a much better piano sound with the C-414s above the 2nd and 5th sound hole on the piano's harp. About 6 inches above with the front of the C-414s pointed twords the sound hole. We do a radio show on a really tight stage with lots of reflective surfaces and this seems to work the best on the Steinway. It is a full sound and very little if any hammer noise. Others here may have different opinions.
     
  5. snyderman

    snyderman Active Member

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    Thanks Thomas,
    I'll be trying that tomorrow!
     
  6. bap

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    I went to school in Ann Arbor and have played at Kerrytown many times. I haven't lived there for over 12 years but was there when they bought that lovely Hamburg 7 ft that is probably still there. It was voiced way up and at the time was, in my opinion, too much piano for the space.

    It is a great space for quieter instruments but I found it to be somewhat painful when the volume went beyond a certain point - kind of like listening to an operatic singer singing full out in a small room.

    I can imagine that it would be a difficult space to record in.
     
  7. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Distinguished Member

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    How did the gig go? Inquiring minds want to know.
     

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