slapback for drums

Discussion in 'Drums' started by giles meredith, Jun 16, 2003.

  1. hi all, I've been trying out a slapback echo on some drum tracks I recorded and frustratingly it's "so near so far"
    I've got pretty much the full sound off one overhead mic and it's pretty good in a Charlie Watts kind of style (playing and sound)
    I tried using very short delays thinking that would fatten it up; it does but the phasing is a bit too odd. Hard panning the original and delayed tracks helps but still not that great and also I'm nervous that there would be problems playing it back on some setups.
    Anyone got any ideas?
    Cheers, Giles
  2. Mark Burnley

    Mark Burnley Guest


    Did you try putting the delay on the entire kit from the o/head mic? The problem with this is that it can sound a bit "too much", as it's all-the-kit-or-nothing as far as the delay is concerned. Did you track any individual drums? If so, you could try taking a submix of say the snare and a bit of o/head and delaying this. This way you're delaying the drum sound itself without so much of the room sound, which can sound "clogged" when delayed/doubled....

    If you've only got mono tracks to work with, it may be worth trying a bandwidth-limited delay...try EQing the delay send or return....might be worth a try (watch out for clipping when EQing the send!. I use delay and doubling a lot on a drum machine, and it gets a good (better :D !?) sound. Tape delay is cool too, because it is naturally bandwidth limited.

    To help it blend in, you could amp the delay signal and re-mic it in the room you recorded in?

    I find there are so many possibilities with drums :eek: Hope this helps in some way!



    "Oscillators don't, amplifiers do....."
  3. thanks, Mark, I'll try that. I do have an EQ which has nice smooth curves from bass to high mid / treble - I'll try rolling those off and I guess that'd leave much more of the echo on the snare.
    Cheers, Giles
  4. jdier

    jdier Active Member

    Mar 20, 2003
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    I have been tracking drums with two overheads (primary) and then accenting by micing the snare and kick. I drive the sound with the overheads and eq for a nice full sound (a little short on lowend) with just the overheads. Then I add the kick and EQ it into the mix to fill in the void in the lowend. Then I add the snare with a bit of a mid crack and put delay on the snare only.

    I have found that I do not need much of the solo snare and the verb on it, since it is only on that track, is pretty natural sounding.

    If you are getting a full sound with just overheads now, you have the tough part licked. Add the snare mic and rock on.

    Good luck, post your results for us to hear.


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