time aligning spot mics in choir/ orchestral recordings?

Discussion in 'Orchestra' started by Exsultavit, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. Exsultavit

    Exsultavit Active Member

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    Folks-

    Do you do this? Under what circumstances? Interested in what folks do with this tool- it was not available in the 'old days' when we simply observed good 3:1 ratio and other guidelines. Does delaying spot mics assist you in getting better audio now that this tool is available? Your thoughts?
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

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    Yes, spots and outriggers generally need delay with respect to the main stereo pair. Here's a quote from a post I wrote in 2007 in response to choir recording. It was specifically about using a pair of DPAs as outriggers, but the argument is similar for spot mics:

    PS Welcome back to RO - is it a couple of years since I last remember you here?
     
  3. Exsultavit

    Exsultavit Active Member

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    Well- thanks for remembering me, and glad to pop in again!

    I appreciate that you time-align even outriggers, Boswell. But I question whether it's actually necessary. Here's my (not very scientific) reasoning:

    Since the start of recording orchestras until the advent of computers with such tools, we didn't even get to consider this- for instance, all those famous Decca orchestral recordings still sound pretty good to my ears, and they use a Decca Tree and (many times) many spots.

    I have done some experimenting with time aligning tracks and have not always found an improvement. Often, I don't hear the difference! I could question my hearing or train myself to hear and 'correct' for this, but I'm not sure I want to screw around with time arrival phenomena that occur in nature- not that recording multimike is at all 'natural' in the first place. Regardless, those Decca records are seminal recordings-- and many others that have not been time-aligned already sound 'right' to me.

    Anyway- that's my point of view on the subject- but only mine. I didn't write in, though, to start a debate or certainly to criticise another's methods. I was just checking in to see what the larger community is doing these days. Your response is very useful to me. Looking forward to hearing from others!
     
  4. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

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    I even had some bad results when trying to allign. Seems, it is depending on the given acoustic and placement. In a church you have all sort of reflections
    adding to a natural sound, but "hearing" with sets of ears positioned at different locations within this sound pool is tricky. Let your ears rule...

    Big K
     
  5. Exsultavit

    Exsultavit Active Member

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    Big K-

    Yes, that also is an interesting angle on this. What instrument(s), in all the stuff and leakage coming into a given track, are we 'aligning' the sound to?
     

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