Triggering with REASON?

Discussion in 'Mixing & Song Critique' started by supercharry, Aug 11, 2005.

  1. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    hi everyone, I have the following question. Is it possible to trigger drums through reason in Pro Tools via Rewire? Can you select a track and replace all the beats with a selected audio file in Redrum?

    I know about drumagog, but owning reason makes me wonder if you could do something similar.....

  2. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Please someone........ I really need to know.
  3. baslotto

    baslotto Active Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    I believe that there is no way for you to do that with Reason since there is no input to the interface except for MIDI.

    If you wanna do it with Reason you have to write the MIDI notes yourself in a MIDI track where you see the hits in your Kick track or snare or whatever you want to replace.

    A great plugin that you can use would be SoundReplacer. I used several times and it fixes the drums in a great way. I recorded a Reason combination of drums and I got a great solid sound that I replaced using SoundReplacer. With that plugin you can actually chose 3 different velocities so to make it sound very natural.

    Cheers, Bas.
  4. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    you could send the drums out individual direct outputs
    and then input them to something like an Alesis D4
    and have it write the midi notes
    during a play-out ... midi record-in pass
  5. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Thanks for the replies, It´s not vital for me to convert audio to midi in this case, it was an option I was considering, I just want to edit/replace some drum sounds. Do you think it would be better to get drumagog or soundreplacer?

  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    SoundReplacer is pretty cool,
    and saves much time compared to placing the samples individualy

    both methods can work
    only you can decide what works for you
    try the demo of soundreplacer

    The D4 requires a bit of comitment to midi and all that goes with it
    I'm a midi user so I feel comfortable with it and it's pitfalls
    you have a midi port ?
  7. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Hi Kev, yes I do have a midi port, I have an oxygen 8 controller which I run through reason (via Digi002). Ive never used the D4, I should give it a try, someone around here should have one. Im very interested in starting to use drum triggers which im not familiar with, but im very interested in those, so next time instead of trying to replace a complete waveform sound I should use triggers which could give more possibilities to edit afterwards.

    I've checked some ddrum triggers on the web. Apart from these, what else do I need to trigger some drums?
  8. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    then I would suggest borrowing a D4 ... or better

    Midi drums is a tuff gig for many reasons.
    All synth gear is expensive and is outdated on a daily basis.

    The 002 midi port is OK to start with but do expect to get something better and larger if the mid bug bites you.

    It is possible to get started with drum triggering with just the oxygen 8 controller.
    Use your fingers to play a simple kick/snare ... and perhaps a HiHat hat pattern and record the midi notes and the Reason Drums samples at the same time.

    You may experience the midi latency AND the audio latency that WILL happen.

    we can talk about how to manage it.

    If you get a D4 we can talk about some cheap DIY drum triggers so you can start experimenting with a few of my techniques ... techniques aimed at surviving with gear that is not perfect. NON of this gear is perfect but we can work around the problems.

    search through some of the old drum and midi stuff here at RO
  9. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Thanks Kev. I do know how to drum trigger with the controller via Reson, just select the audio samples in Redrum and play the keyboard. However my interest is to trigger an acoustic drum set to be able to mix with both midi and audio info, that should give more possibilities for a specific wanted sound.

    Im looking forward to borrow something such as de D4 or similar to get started with it, in the end the best way to learn is to try it yourself.

    Thanks for all the advice.
  10. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    I know that
    you can start right now and actually do a dummy run with just two fingers
    attempt to do an over-dub into one of your existing songs.

    Feel, See and Hear some of the troubles and latencies that will only get worse when the Trigger to Midi unit does arrive.

    I tend to use the D4 sounds for monitoring even though I don't use them in the final song.
    It is like hardware monitoring while doing a vocal O/D and not monitoring through the 001 or 002.
  11. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Ok, I can do that with some old projects to train myself in the meantime. However the reason that made me start thinking about triggers is a metal song, and that would be very hard to follow with my fingers!! :roll:

    But yes, I can start to get the feel of triggering.

    thanks for all the advice... :D
  12. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Kev, I have another question...... I was thinking it might not be necessary to get some drum triggers, you said a few replies ago that I could output the existing audio and input it back through a D4 or D5 to make it write the midi notes..... thinking of it this way, is it still necessary to purchase some triggers? What I could do is record the drumset in normal audio and then re-record the bdrum and/or snare through the D4/D5.

    Could I be right on this?
  13. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Metal Drums
    Trigger to Midi
    could be on of the hardest thing to do with midi drums ... especially snare
    cymbals ... forget about it
    kick will tend to get that machine gun thing
    but toms and as back-up or supporting samples, it could help

    As for the audio to trigger
    NO all you need is outputs from the DAW interface.
    Might be tricky to level match BUT it is all possible.
    Will probably need to attenuate the DAW output to a level nearer triggers.

    unbalanced cable and a trim pot could be all you need
  14. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Well about the Metal drums, what I meant is not to replace the whole audio track into midi. What I thought was to use the audio tracks, and some midi tracks (backups) for the Bdrum and Snare (selecting some samples in Redrum), I thought that would give more chances to get a specific wanted sound. I dont know, might be bull**it.

    I made a post about Metal Drums a while ago, and lots of people started to talk about triggers, so thats where I started to wonder about them. Whats with the triggers and Metal drums then? What´s the exact thing for me to do?
  15. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    just that metal drums is a tuff gig

    pop music with a simple repeated 1/4 note loop sort of thing is very easy
    and cheap triggers and less equipment can work very well

    Do exactly what I have said above
    start experimenting with what you have ... with fingers
    then get a D4 on loan and make some cheap adapter cables to try the audio to trigger/midi set-up

    All I'm saying is
    DON"T dive into midi drums and expect to produce speed metal panteera slip whatever on your first attempt

    I've been midi drumming since Symond's $*^t and I'm now in V-drum trigger world and have a D4
    although it is great ... it is far from perfect and does require discipline from the drummer
  16. supercharry

    supercharry Guest

    Thanks Kev, Im very pleased with all your replies. This Post hast been very useful to me. Thanks a lot once again. I wont expect great results, but Ill try to learn the most.
  17. ShoeBoxDude

    ShoeBoxDude Guest

    speaking of reason..

    I wish reason had an audio input from re-wire.

    That scream 4 thing is unreal. If only there were a rtas/tdm/vst plug of that.. i would be very happy. :(
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