trouble recording guitar & need advice- timing/ tracking related

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  1. jbourne84

    jbourne84 Active Member

    Sep 9, 2010
    I am struggling to get this guitar track down correctly, it is mostly finger picking patterns in a 7/8 time signature. It is around 5-6 minutes long but I have been attempting to break it up into 3 parts though I still find it difficult to stay on time with the metronome though. with the finger picking it has sort of of a flowing rhythm that is hard to want to break up any more than i have to

    I just want this initial tracks timing to be as perfect as possible since it will be the groundwork for the rest of the piece. I tried making a drum track but really just cant get the hang of it to create that rhythmic 'feel' i need to hold me on time... probably because I am not a drummer. So I continue to use the metronome.

    Obviously practice-practice-practice is important, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any other advice or tricks they use
  2. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
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    Oftentimes this can be helped by halving the tempo of the click. But with a 7/8 time sig. this won't be possible. It might help you to have the metronome hit only the downbeat, at least you could gauge if you're getting ahead or behind without the mechanical timing of the click throw off the flowing rhythm of the picking pattern. Another idea would be to leave the metronome on 7/8 but lower the volume of the non-downbeat clicks so they are very faint relative to the volume of the downbeat.
    And yes, practice the piece until your fingers know exactly what they're doing, that always helps.
  3. musicproducer

    musicproducer Active Member

    Aug 17, 2010
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    Might help to figure out whether it's a 4+3 feel or 3+4 or some other combo. Create a simple drum part with kicks on the strong beats and either sidestick or hat on the other beats; keep that drum part really simple like that so it's a glorified click but does give you a little feel.
  4. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Apr 19, 2006
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    Most 7/8 tracks can be broken down into 3-2-2 or 2-2-3, and some of the better metronomes (or software equivalent) can be set to give major and minor lifts on the first of each of these sub-sets.

    It takes a while to get the right feel of the lick into your head and fingers, but once there, you should be able to work it up to recording standard. Try playing along without concentrating too much to some well-known 7/8 tracks (e.g. Flook's Macedonian Oro).

    Is the piece straight 7/8 all the way through? You talked about breaking it in sections, but does that imply that the beat changes at the breaks? Several Greek and other Eastern Mediterranean 7/8 tunes have an A part in a 3-2-2 rhythm and change to a 2-2-3 for the B part.

    I've played 7/8 tunes with pros who have been too conscious of hanging on to the last quaver causing a slip into 8/8, with the result that they have grabbed at the first of the next bar too early. This may be OK for jazz, but makes a folky 7/8 sound awkward.
  5. natural

    natural Active Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    you say practice practice practice. But you have to know HOW to practice.
    Can you play it better by slowing everything down by several BPM's ?
    If so, practice slowly until you find out where your problems are, smooth those out, then start increasing the tempo.
    You could be easily be ready to record in less than a week with this technique.

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